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re: Fox Sports - Alabama actively plans an "atrocious schedule" and gets away with it
Posted on 11/3/17 at 8:09 am to magildachunks
Posted on 11/3/17 at 8:09 am to magildachunks
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So why isn't he leading by example?
Because he doesn't make the schedule?
Posted on 11/3/17 at 8:11 am to NYCAuburn
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Louisville in Orlando is going to be such a fun game...
- 2018 Louisville in Orlando
- 2019 Duke in Atlanta
Quite frankly, I think other programs are looking at the committees for these games and laughing at them when they bring up the prospect of playing Alabama. Why the frick would you want to do that? Everyone knows what we do in those games. Everyone can see what happened to Michigan, USC and Florida State. My guess is most of them are saying "yea, no thanks".
Hopefully that will at least help us move away from this shite every daym year.
This post was edited on 11/3/17 at 8:12 am
Posted on 11/3/17 at 8:27 am to Aman
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Are you really this stupid? Both teams have to be willing to play. I would imagine not many P5 teams at the moment are willing to come play a game in Bryant Denny Stadium against Bama
If he's been " lobbying" for it since 2010 I would think that would be more than enough time to get an agreement in place with another P5 school.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 8:31 am to RD Dawg
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No SEC team should ever play less than 2 P5 OOC every year and have no more than 7 home games
I've said this before, completely agree.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 8:34 am to Monticello
quote:Clemson played Auburn and still has USCe so that gives them 10. Where is Miami's 10th P5 game?
Yep (other than the ACC). And we can't use the old argument of the SEC being so tough that our 8 is better than their 9 anymore.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 8:34 am to Aman
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How exactly does he schedule an extra SEC game. You think any of the East teams want to add that to their schedule?
North Carolina and another ACC team did this a few years ago. Auburn could move to the east, then Alabama could schedule Tennessee as an out of conference game every season, plus it would give both teams a better SOS. They could then just as Schedule other teams the years they play in conference.
This post was edited on 11/3/17 at 8:37 am
Posted on 11/3/17 at 8:56 am to JCdawg
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North Carolina and another ACC team did this a few years ago. Auburn could move to the east, then Alabama could schedule Tennessee as an out of conference game every season, plus it would give both teams a better SOS. They could then just as Schedule other teams the years they play in conference.
SEC should stop playing FCS teams and play 9 SEC games. It's crappy to go so long without playing other SEC teams. The FCS games suck.
I'd be ok with moving Auburn to the East, Mizzou to the West -- make Tenn & Arky permanent cross-division opponents. Makes more sense geograpically and balances strength of divisions better -- especially if ATM would get their act together. Bama and Tenn would still play home & home with only a 4 year gap in between -- and sometimes in SEC-CGs too, IF Tenn finally hires a good coach.
This post was edited on 11/3/17 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 11/3/17 at 9:06 am to TrueTigerTale
Klatt is a moron. Does he understand that Bama can't schedule and play itself?
Right now, Bama is playing a better than average schedule at this point in the year. Not great, but better than average. I'll use the Sagarin ratings - they may not be perfect but it's a good reference for a consistent source.
Right now, Bama's strength of schedule is at 55. For comparison, Georgia's SoS is 51 and Washington's is 64 - so it's not the worst in the top ten. And if you consider the Sagarin top 20 SoS's, Wisconsin = 69, VT = 76, UCF = 99.
Remaining in the year, Bama has yet to play (with Sagarin ratings)... and I will include a normal playoff progression probability:
LSU (6-2) - 25
Miss St (6-2) - 14
Mercer (4-4) - 133
Auburn (6-2) - 8
Georgia (8-0) - 4
Ohio St (7-1) - 2
Notre Dame (7-1) - 5 (or maybe Georgia again)
I'd wager that no other team in the country has a tougher potential upcoming schedule.
Finally, maybe Klatt does not understand the economics of major college sports. In a nutshell, there are about 25 NCAA football teams that are profitable. Even less for basketball, and their income streams are not nearly as large, even for Kentucky. The bottom line is that only about 50 sport/teams total fund ALL of the NCAA outside of their media contracts (and most of THAT is funneled back to schools and is already included in this equation).
With those type of economics in place, teams MUST either fill their own stadium seats or make a great payout for going out of their home stadium. Most teams will fill their conference games as required, and then strive for three at home and only one on the road (or neutral). Almost all Power 5 teams do this. They might drop down to 2-2 in some years, but they will aim for 3-1 if they can get it. Every year.
Would I like to see something different? OF course. But the economic situation is what it is. Until scheduling is taken away from the schools, it will always be this way. Personally, as noted here in the past, I would like to see six power conferences of 12 teams each, with a five division-three opposite division conference schedule. Then two mandated home and aways determined by conference/division positions (i.e., this year and next SEC-East#3 plays PAC12-North#5). And so forth. Then the final two games could be scheduled by the schools at their choice from outside the power six conferences.
I'd even throw in a bottom conference team relegation just to spice things up even a little more. This would definitely allow for visits by fans to new locations and new teams being played, and it would be far more even. But hey, that's just me... but we all know that things are not going to change any time soon.
Right now, Bama is playing a better than average schedule at this point in the year. Not great, but better than average. I'll use the Sagarin ratings - they may not be perfect but it's a good reference for a consistent source.
Right now, Bama's strength of schedule is at 55. For comparison, Georgia's SoS is 51 and Washington's is 64 - so it's not the worst in the top ten. And if you consider the Sagarin top 20 SoS's, Wisconsin = 69, VT = 76, UCF = 99.
Remaining in the year, Bama has yet to play (with Sagarin ratings)... and I will include a normal playoff progression probability:
LSU (6-2) - 25
Miss St (6-2) - 14
Mercer (4-4) - 133
Auburn (6-2) - 8
Georgia (8-0) - 4
Ohio St (7-1) - 2
Notre Dame (7-1) - 5 (or maybe Georgia again)
I'd wager that no other team in the country has a tougher potential upcoming schedule.
Finally, maybe Klatt does not understand the economics of major college sports. In a nutshell, there are about 25 NCAA football teams that are profitable. Even less for basketball, and their income streams are not nearly as large, even for Kentucky. The bottom line is that only about 50 sport/teams total fund ALL of the NCAA outside of their media contracts (and most of THAT is funneled back to schools and is already included in this equation).
With those type of economics in place, teams MUST either fill their own stadium seats or make a great payout for going out of their home stadium. Most teams will fill their conference games as required, and then strive for three at home and only one on the road (or neutral). Almost all Power 5 teams do this. They might drop down to 2-2 in some years, but they will aim for 3-1 if they can get it. Every year.
Would I like to see something different? OF course. But the economic situation is what it is. Until scheduling is taken away from the schools, it will always be this way. Personally, as noted here in the past, I would like to see six power conferences of 12 teams each, with a five division-three opposite division conference schedule. Then two mandated home and aways determined by conference/division positions (i.e., this year and next SEC-East#3 plays PAC12-North#5). And so forth. Then the final two games could be scheduled by the schools at their choice from outside the power six conferences.
I'd even throw in a bottom conference team relegation just to spice things up even a little more. This would definitely allow for visits by fans to new locations and new teams being played, and it would be far more even. But hey, that's just me... but we all know that things are not going to change any time soon.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 9:07 am to iglass
It is honestly just an attempt to drive ratings. Cowherd knows Bama gets the views so they go after Bama.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 9:09 am to SummerOfGeorge
A game at Arizona or in Ames is a way tougher environment than a neutral site. Especially the ones Bama gets. You didn't have to go play Wisconsin in Green Bay
Posted on 11/3/17 at 9:11 am to TrueTigerTale
If I recall correctly, Saban is the lone voice in the SEC that wants 9 conf games. Does the article mention how the other SEC schools love the fcs game instead of a ninth conf game?
Posted on 11/3/17 at 9:13 am to stat19
Saban wants to pound an extra East team every year instead of getting a good out of conference team
This post was edited on 11/3/17 at 9:15 am
Posted on 11/3/17 at 9:17 am to MistaMike9
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A game at Arizona or in Ames is a way tougher environment than a neutral site
Yea, playing @ 2-10 Arizona (2003), @ 5-7 Washington (2009) or @ 4-8 Syracuse (2015) is definitely tougher than playing Clemson, Michigan, Virginia Tech, Wisconsin, Southern Cal or Florida State at a neutral site.
For sure. No doubt.
This post was edited on 11/3/17 at 9:24 am
Posted on 11/3/17 at 9:18 am to RD Dawg
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If he's been " lobbying" for it since 2010 I would think that would be more than enough time to get an agreement in place with another P5 school.
We have scheduled probably a better P5 OOC opponent than anyone else. We had home and home with Michigan State and GaTech scheduled until realignment screwed that up.
Also Saban has been on the record about more P5 games. haven't heard much from the rest of the conference on this subject.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 9:21 am to MontyFranklyn
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MontyFranklyn
It is honestly just an attempt to drive ratings. Cowherd knows Bama gets the views so they go after Bama.
Correct.
I should have noted above that the team buses for Ole Miss, Florida St, and Tennessee are functionally equivalent to buckets of turds - those are usually top 25 teams. If they would have normal records for this time of year, Bama would be playing a top 10 strength of schedule this year.
But even so... over the last few years, here has been Alabama's final Strength of Schedule:
2016 - 1
2015 - 1
2014 - 2
2013 - 39
2012 - 19
2011 - 15
2010 - 14
2009 - 2
2008 - 28
2007 - 30
I understand that he's making a home/away scheduling point. But it's just economics. Year in and year out, Bama actually does play strong schedules - as tough as anybody else, year in and year out, IMHO given future scheduling and opponent strength variability. I'd stack our 10 year SoS up against just about any other team - there might be a couple better but not many. You can't get schedule strengths like this without playing in a tough conference and good opponents.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 9:25 am to MistaMike9
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Saban wants to pound an extra East team every year instead of getting a good out of conference team.
Wrong. Saban is actually in favor of all P5 teams playing 100% P5 schedules.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 9:25 am to SummerOfGeorge
There is no neutral site for a Bama team that has bandwagon fans everywhere you go
Posted on 11/3/17 at 9:26 am to MistaMike9
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MistaMike9
A game at Arizona or in Ames is a way tougher environment than a neutral site. Especially the ones Bama gets. You didn't have to go play Wisconsin in Green Bay
Just for the record... Green Bay *IS* a neutral site for Wisconsin. Just in case you might have forgotten that Lambeau is not where Wisconsin normally plays their home games.
BTW, when are you guys gonna schedule that home and away series with Troy? They might even pay you guys. Just sayin'.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 9:26 am to MistaMike9
By that theory, Alabama would just buy up the tickets on the road portion of a home-and-home anyways.
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