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Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:22 am
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:22 am
Saw Gabe touched on the hysteria applied to instate recruits on PM.
Amongst those listed were:
2003: Medium-High (key miss: Laurence Maroney)
2004: Low (key miss: Brett Gallimore)
2005: High (key miss: Chris Brooks)
2006: Medium-High (key miss: Adrian Clayborn)
2007: “Borderline Extreme” (key misses: Rock Bridge’s Aron White and Logan Gray)
This is a good example of instate recruits as far as I am concerned. Maroney and Clayborn ended up being a shame that we missed on them. Everyone else fits in the "who?" category.
I think the overhype is even higher on St. Louis recruits, but that may be just a feeling.
I just don't think there have been a ton of players since 2002 like E. Elliot and R. Johnson, where MU fans were left really sad that we missed on them.
Amongst those listed were:
2003: Medium-High (key miss: Laurence Maroney)
2004: Low (key miss: Brett Gallimore)
2005: High (key miss: Chris Brooks)
2006: Medium-High (key miss: Adrian Clayborn)
2007: “Borderline Extreme” (key misses: Rock Bridge’s Aron White and Logan Gray)
This is a good example of instate recruits as far as I am concerned. Maroney and Clayborn ended up being a shame that we missed on them. Everyone else fits in the "who?" category.
I think the overhype is even higher on St. Louis recruits, but that may be just a feeling.
I just don't think there have been a ton of players since 2002 like E. Elliot and R. Johnson, where MU fans were left really sad that we missed on them.
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:40 am to Tiger97
BIG reason Adrian didnt come to mizzou was due to how aaron o'neals death was handled, or mishandled at that, by the school.
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:00 am to Tiger97
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This is a good example of instate recruits as far as I am concerned. Maroney and Clayborn ended up being a shame that we missed on them. Everyone else fits in the "who?" category.
Even Darth Saban misses on a local recruit every now and then. Someone is always going to fall through the cracks every year.
Or, you scouted them, and knew they were good, but you were stocked to the gills at that position. Bert and company liked Crockett but with RWIII starting and a lot of talent behind him they stepped off the gas and Missouri got him.
Of course that can really come back to bite you in the butt when something like RW having to retire because of his neck injury happens.
If we somehow could have foreseen the neck injury was going to flare up again Bert would have thrown the kitchen sink at recruiting Crockett. Instead Missouri found a big piece of the puzzle to make their rushing attack work.
You never want to see talent leave the state but sometimes it is just going to happen.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:14 am to Arksulli
As long as Mizzou gets quality recruits it doesn't matter where they come from.
Ball, Elliot & Johnson are other really big misses.
Ball, Elliot & Johnson are other really big misses.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:47 am to wubilli
Jarius Byrd. Although he was a transplant...
Posted on 6/20/17 at 12:28 pm to Tiger97
There's an HC, can't remember who, but said, "It's not the ones that get away that kill you, it's the ones you get, and they don't pan out".
And this shows to hold true. Galimore did nothing at Michigan, same for Brooks at Nub U. White did well at UGA, Gray did not.
It still comes down to evaluating and developing well. Does the kid fit our schemes, our needs. Is he so good we should adjust to him. Will he buy in. Can we develop?
If we can't get him, find a quality next choice.
And this shows to hold true. Galimore did nothing at Michigan, same for Brooks at Nub U. White did well at UGA, Gray did not.
It still comes down to evaluating and developing well. Does the kid fit our schemes, our needs. Is he so good we should adjust to him. Will he buy in. Can we develop?
If we can't get him, find a quality next choice.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:04 pm to Tiger97
I won't go hysterical over it, but Mizzou will never cross that hump until they start landing they key in state players. The idea isn't if you get someone else of equal or better talent. The idea is you get both. That is how you build depth. I'd much rather have the 4* in state player AND the 3* or 4* out of state player than the 3* or 4* out of state player and a 2* or 3* class filler.
Oh, and your list is missing some other names that again, are not program changers, but would have added much needed depth. Jehu Chesson would have been nice to have had last year and was a 4th round pick.
Having said that, yes, I agree, not all in state players pan out...just like not all out of state players pan out.
Oh, and your list is missing some other names that again, are not program changers, but would have added much needed depth. Jehu Chesson would have been nice to have had last year and was a 4th round pick.
Having said that, yes, I agree, not all in state players pan out...just like not all out of state players pan out.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:34 pm to reedus23
The talent in Missouri is simply not good enough to hand wring over. It's a fallacy to say we'll never get over the hump without it. Nebraska has. Tennessee has.
It doesn't matter where they come from. Just have to get em.
If instate recruits don't want to play here...quite simply, frick em
It doesn't matter where they come from. Just have to get em.
If instate recruits don't want to play here...quite simply, frick em
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:24 pm to JesusQuintana
When people say that we need to get the best players in the state they are simply saying is that when we have highly sought after and highly rated players in Missouri we need to get the most of them. We won't get too many highly rated players from other states. (under the radar types usually are the ones that we get)
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:48 pm to Zou brownmajic
Ya'all know my thoughts on this matter along with my views on seeing in black and white those who really just accept whatever, so they dont demand or expect more and who are already rationalizing and making excuses for dumpster fire that undoubtedly will be this years class.
What a shame to virtually strike out looking, on a rare year (1 every 4yrs maybe) where there is not only an unusual quantity but also superior quality spread throughout the list of home state prospects. Undoubtedly if we somehow manage to land one or two of the top ten some will say those are the ones we really wanted. In my book anything less than 5 or 50% for home state, home field advantage prospects is to be viewed as disappointing and less than 3 a total waste.
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What a shame to virtually strike out looking, on a rare year (1 every 4yrs maybe) where there is not only an unusual quantity but also superior quality spread throughout the list of home state prospects. Undoubtedly if we somehow manage to land one or two of the top ten some will say those are the ones we really wanted. In my book anything less than 5 or 50% for home state, home field advantage prospects is to be viewed as disappointing and less than 3 a total waste.
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:03 pm to JesusQuintana
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Nebraska has. Tennessee has.
Those 2 have something in common that Missouri does not share.
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It doesn't matter where they come from. Just have to get em.
I would agree with that if we had the ability to go and pluck any 4* we want out of Texas, Florida, Georgia or whatever. We can get 1 or 2 but the reality is that we haven't, don't and will never be able to do that.
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If instate recruits don't want to play here...quite simply, frick em
I hear ya and your sentiment. I'll continue to enjoy the 8 win seasons and bowl game 3 out of every 4 years.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:05 pm to Zou brownmajic
I know what he means. It's just when you say we can't win without recruiting Missouri, I disagree. There isn't enough talent here for that hard line in the sand. Hopefully it's improving. We shall see.
We can't win without good players. Whether they come from Missouri, Texas, Alabama or North Dakota matters not.
What matters is we get enough of them to be successful. Any coach here will need to be very good at identifying and developing within other states. Even if we got every D1 prospect out of Missouri (which is totally unrealistic) that's not enough to even fill a class.
We can't win without good players. Whether they come from Missouri, Texas, Alabama or North Dakota matters not.
What matters is we get enough of them to be successful. Any coach here will need to be very good at identifying and developing within other states. Even if we got every D1 prospect out of Missouri (which is totally unrealistic) that's not enough to even fill a class.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:09 pm to JesusQuintana
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It's just when you say we can't win without recruiting Missouri, I disagree.
Never said we can't win. I will predict we won't make the playoffs....which is what we should be expecting, hoping for, demanding, whatever word you want to use.
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There isn't enough talent here for that hard line in the sand.
Again, it's not about fielding a team of nothing but Missouri born players.
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Any coach here will need to be very good at identifying and developing within other states.
I do agree with that. But if you're landing your Missouri 10, it makes the out of state job a shite load easier.
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Even if we got every D1 prospect out of Missouri (which is totally unrealistic) that's not enough to even fill a class.
Again, you're missing the point.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:13 pm to reedus23
But I'm not. Even if we do poorly in state, but do well elsewhere that can still be a good class. It's simply not paramount to recruit Missouri. It's just not. It would be nice to land all instate offers, but if we don't it really doesn't matter provided we do well elsewhere.
Demanding/expecting the playoffs? LOL. Come on dude
Demanding/expecting the playoffs? LOL. Come on dude
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:18 pm to JesusQuintana
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But I'm not. Even if we do poorly in state, but do well elsewhere that can still be a good class.
But not as good as if you did well in state and did well elsewhere.
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Demanding/expecting the playoffs? LOL. Come on dude
And now I understand the difference of opinion on recruiting. You want 8 wins and a bowl game. While I'd be happy with that, I want playoff caliber football.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:27 pm to reedus23
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But not as good as if you did well in state and did well elsewhere.
Not necessarily. We could sign zero instate kids and end up with a great class. We could sign nothing but instate kids and end up with a shitty one.
It's judged on a whole and it's all relative. Understandably people get more invested in instate recruits.
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now I understand the difference of opinion on recruiting. You want 8 wins and a bowl game. While I'd be happy with that, I want playoff caliber football.
Please. Don't go all sandyvag on me. Want in one hand and shite in the other they say.
I'm just as starry eyed and completely unrealistic about a national title as the next guy. Unlike some though, I accept the reality that IF that happens it won't be on the back of elite recruiting classes. It's an extreme longshot at best, but if it is accomplished it will be done by mixing a few elite recruits with a massive amount of great identification and development.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:36 pm to JesusQuintana
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But I'm not. Even if we do poorly in state, but do well elsewhere that can still be a good class.
If, ifs were butts and candy were nuts...
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Demanding/expecting the playoffs? LOL. Come on dude
I did not get that tone from reedus post. Like other "non-accepting" of mediocrity or worse I am sure he would agree with me that we simply want a Truly Competitive team vis a vis the big boys, especially in the SEC.
Do I truly believe or expect NC runs? Honestly not really as of now. However. I expect/demand that we field a talented enough and coached properly squad that can compete against anyone while winning our share against the better P5 teams(not Delaware State). This would be the first step to having realistic hope of reaching the SEC title game with a realistic chance of competing & winning. After that anything is possible, including playoffs and that NC.
We have to start walking, turning into a fast jog before we can run towards that NC. Unfortunately with what will inevitably be an SEC last place recruiting class BO will keep us hamstrung and sitting on our collective arse.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:47 pm to muinsandiegp
1. Stop upvoting your own posts. It's extremely unbecoming
2. You have no idea where this class will end up rankings wise. You're just whining preemptively
3. Regardless of where it does end up. We won't have any idea how good it is for 2-3 years.
2. You have no idea where this class will end up rankings wise. You're just whining preemptively
3. Regardless of where it does end up. We won't have any idea how good it is for 2-3 years.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:59 pm to JesusQuintana
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Stop upvoting your own posts. It's extremely unbecoming
Hey, I really liked that post. (On a side note, why are you so attracted to and obssessed to such a degree you make the effort to stalk my votes? Who the hell does that?)
As for the rest of your cry baby response, it is and was sadly predictable. Once you take out your pacifier you may grow a pair allowing you to take your blinders off.
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:56 pm to JesusQuintana
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Unlike some though, I accept the reality that IF that happens it won't be on the back of elite recruiting classes.
Your statements are full of flaws in addition to your accepting defeat attitude. So I just thought I would highlight the flaw above.
Every NC is built on the back of elite talent/recruiting. While it does not guarantee championship it is a prerequisite. See if you can follow "Elephants are gray, but not everything that is gray is an elephant".
Good leadership and coaching can occasionally take mediocre talent to the edge of being close to very good.(see GP) However talent is what will ultimately give you consistency and get you over the hump.
I know GP and let me tell you BO is no GP, be it on the field leading and having the respect of his squad or off the field recruiting as he lacks the earned respect, relatability and sales skills to get even average to better than average talent.
Thus that leads me to another phrase: "You cant squeeze blood out of a turnip or in this case SPAM. Even if BO was Saban, you simply cannot coach up 60th ranked recruitng talent to top 20 level.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 10:04 pm
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