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re: Dark matter and dark energy.

Posted on 3/4/17 at 8:02 pm to
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/4/17 at 8:02 pm to
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Our equations don't match reality, so we propose a form of matter that cannot be interacted with in any way and whose only effect on the universe is to neatly and exactly fill in the gap in said equations?


Actually, there's indirect physical evidence for both dark matter and dark energy. When the great astronomer Vera Rubin assessed the rotation of galaxies about their centers, she noticed that the outer-most stars orbited at the same speed as those closest to the center.

This is counterintuitive, of course, and her discovery startled the physics community. The inner-most stars should orbit the center much faster than those further out, similar to the orbits of our planets about the sun. The only sensible explanation is that the great gravity needed to hold 100 billion+ stars in such a rigid dance about the galaxy's center is coming from an unseen and, so far, undetectable source of matter.

Other indirect evidence for dark matter is gravitational lensing. Many distant galaxies cannot be seen directly from earth because of other galaxies sitting between us and them. However, concentrations of dark matter on our line of sight to some galaxies exerts tremendous gravity upon the light from them and actually bends their light around the blocking galaxies and we see distortions of them. See illustrations below.





Indirect evidence for dark energy is the ever increasing rate of expansion of the Universe. It was Edwin Hubble in the 1920s who first determined that the Universe was expanding.

It wasn't until the 1990s, however, that astronomers determined that the expansion was occurring at a constantly increasing rate. The sensible explanation is that a force is pushing matter apart faster and faster. The term dark energy just means that we have no clue what it is. Or dark matter, either, for that matter (pun intended ).

It's thought that dark energy overcame the pull of gravity some 5 billion years ago and began to express its domination of expansion at the ever increasing rate. Will it eventually attain a maximum rate of expansion? No one knows.

Dark matter and dark energy aren't the only dark things we're currently studying. There's also dark flow.

From Wikipedia:
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Dark flow is an astrophysical term describing a possible non-random component of the peculiar velocity of galaxy clusters. The actual measured velocity is the sum of the velocity predicted by Hubble's Law plus a possible small and unexplained (or dark) velocity flowing in a common direction.


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According to standard cosmological models, the motion of galaxy clusters with respect to the cosmic microwave background should be randomly distributed in all directions. However, analyzing the three-year Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) data using the kinematic Sunyaev-Zel'dovich effect, astronomers Alexander Kashlinsky, F. Atrio-Barandela, D. Kocevski and H. Ebeling found evidence of a "surprisingly coherent" 600–1000 km/s flow of clusters toward a 20-degree patch of sky between the constellations of Centaurus and Vela.
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
8906 posts
Posted on 3/5/17 at 5:19 am to
Yes, I'm aware of the "evidence" for dark matter, which is that currently accepted models for how gravity work show that, for galaxies and other supermassive objects to behave the way that they do, they should contain orders of magnitude more mass than what we observe them to have. The examples that you included in your post are just variations on that theme. Now, since the models don't match with observed reality, there are only two possible conclusions that can be drawn: either a) the models are wrong or b) we aren't observing reality properly. Astrophysicists have chosen to go with answer "b" and have assumed the existence of an invisible, undetectable, undefinable substance called "dark matter" whose supposed properties are revealed solely by the amount of error in the models. The way we know how much "dark matter" a given galaxy supposedly contains is by solving the relevant equations of motion for it and then seeing how much they don't match with the galaxy's actual behavior. If that isn't the very definition of a "solution of the gaps," then I don't know what is.

The other conclusion - that current gravitational models are wrong - is obviously scary for astrophysicists and so no one wants to propose it, especially because no one has yet come up with a better model that continues to work at supermassive scales (you don't make a name for yourself as a scientist by saying, "I just don't know."). Since the two men who have done the most to shape humanity's current understanding of gravity (Newton and Einstein) are considered two of the greatest geniuses that ever lived, this is not particularly surprising. Men like that don't come along in every generation, or even every century. So, while we wait for the next paradigm-shifter, some very smart people will sit and play with their pet theories about how to fill the gaps in the models. The true genius, however, will be the man who doesn't fill the gaps, but eliminates them.
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
13184 posts
Posted on 3/5/17 at 9:22 am to
Good information on the subject.

Translation of that last image: our data might well be misleading = the outer galaxies from our perspective might well NOT be rotating at the same rate as the inner galaxies. Also, our isolated perspective doesn't even come close to representing reality. It's analogous to taking a single sample of ocean water at some shoreline and assuming it is representative of all the ocean water on earth.
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