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re: 2018 Football Recruiting Thread -- Final OP Update Edition
Posted on 5/1/17 at 3:41 pm to RandySavage
Posted on 5/1/17 at 3:41 pm to RandySavage
OT a little, but wow at all of the mock drafts out there including Byron Cowart in the first 2 rounds. I've seen 2 out there that have him in there. One of them with him going Rd1 to the Falcons. He'd have to absolutely have a Nick Fairley-like year to get drafted right now.
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Posted on 5/1/17 at 4:12 pm to WareagleKK
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He'd have to absolutely have a Nick Fairley-like year to get drafted right now.
I don't really agree with this. His athleticism/frame should measure top end RD1 if he is able to carry extra weight well a very good season a late RD1/Early RD2 type pick. Easy to chalk his earlier issues up to "out of position" and "better fit"
Can't really compare to Monty Adams this year as his issue was his measurements. His hands were the smallest amongst combine DTs and his arms at the senior bowl (31 7/8") were a huge red flag to some teams
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 4:54 pm to GenesChin
Updated OP with new screenshots and link ESPN team rankings
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:23 pm to TigerPaw1
4* DT Brant Lawless committed to Tennessee and 3* CB Chris Smith commits to UGA. Neither are really surprises or blows to AU but of course they committed after I updated the screenshots in OP...
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:03 am to GenesChin
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Can't really compare to Monty Adams this year as his issue was his measurements. His hands were the smallest amongst combine DTs and his arms at the senior bowl (31 7/8") were a huge red flag to some teams
I had no clue about those measurements on Monty. That's pretty crazy. He'll need to really refine his technique at the next level. He does have elite explosiveness out of his stance, so hopefully that can make up for some of those physical limitations.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:55 am to WareagleKK
Adams' arms measured 32 3/4" and his hands were 9 1/4" at the Combine. Nothing overly impressive there, but that isn't why he "fell" (if you even want to count it that). He is simply too hot/cold and always has been. Too many snaps wherein he's not doing much, he also has a shocking amount of snaps on tape wherein he gets lost in the backfield.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:09 am to metafour
Got a CB for Michael Harris this morning? Don't know who Andrew Ellis is though, hopefully he knows his stuff. Maybe OSU doesn't have room?
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:10 am to metafour
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Adams' arms measured 32 3/4" and his hands were 9 1/4" at the Combine.
32 3/4" is on the smaller size and he measured 31 7/8" at Senior Bowl which
9 1/4" is one of the ~2 smallest hands at the combine
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but that isn't why he "fell"
I think you misunderstood my point, which was that Adams was a RD 2/3 pick both in frame/athleticism and overall play
Cowart should have top RD1 frame/athleticism which could push him to RD 1/2 grade even if his overall play is RD 2/3.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:20 am to RandySavage
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Got a CB for Michael Harris this morning? Don't know who Andrew Ellis is though, hopefully he knows his stuff. Maybe OSU doesn't have room?
he's a writer for the OSU site!
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:10 am to RandySavage
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Got a CB for Michael Harris this morning? Don't know who Andrew Ellis is though, hopefully he knows his stuff. Maybe OSU doesn't have room?
Ohio state insider. That's a good sign for us. My guess is they are gonna get Teradja Mitchell and won't have room. Not gonna get hopes too high yet but that would be some great luck for us. Mitchell commits in next month I believe
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:34 am to TigerPaw1
Are we a clear #2 if they didn't have room?
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:58 am to RandySavage
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Are we a clear #2 if they didn't have room?
AU/UGA battle for number 2 but he's closest with T-WILL. I like our odds if Ohio state out of picture. Bama was a threat but he seems frustrated with them because of some communication issues when setting up visits.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:43 am to TigerPaw1
KN posted more info on Harris. Says nowhere near ready to put CB in on Harris but that both AU and UGA got a real shot. Buckeyes are taking 3 possibly 4 LBs but not set in stone. They feel good about landing Teradja Mitchell and Dallas Gant soon. If that happens chances are low Harris would be a take. Also Harris has yet to visit Ohio State yet. He's closest with Williams and apparently his family is close with the staff. Still UGA is a major threat as well. Basically we want Gant and Mitchell to commit to OHST so it becomes AU/UGA battle
Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:47 am to GenesChin
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32 3/4" is on the smaller size and he measured 31 7/8" at Senior Bowl which
9 1/4" is one of the ~2 smallest hands at the combine
Both are on the lower end, but again, no team is going to heavily penalize a DL because his hands are a bit smaller than normal. On his best plays, Adams absolutely bulldozes guys...so clearly his below-average hands aren't that big a deal on the field. His near 33" arms aren't abnormally short either.
The Senior Bowl always seems to have smaller measurements than the Combine, for some reason.
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I think you misunderstood my point, which was that Adams was a RD 2/3 pick both in frame/athleticism and overall play
I disagree entirely that Adams is RD 2/3 in frame OR athleticism. He's 6'4 305+ and ran a faster 40 than Derek Barnett did at ~50 pounds lighter (who went Top 15). He's clearly the most naturally explosive pure DT in the class. On pure frame/athleticism, he's a 1st round pick easily. Again, I don't buy at all that slightly smaller hands knocks him down ~2 full rounds. This would maybe influence teams if one of his weaknesses was that he lacked punch, but in Adams' case you see plenty of plays wherein he's just rag-dolling linemen.
His RD 2/3 standing is entirely based off his play. He spends a lot of time on the ground (bad). Like I also previously mentioned, he also seems to have poor awareness which causes him to get lost or run past plays even after he clearly beats his man. When he makes his plays he looks like the best player on the field by a mile, but there is a lot of snaps in between wherein he's getting pushed over or simply doing very little. He's the traditional case of a hot/cold lineman with superb physical skills but inconsistent play from snap-to-snap.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:37 pm to metafour
Except for DL they focus on 10yd split times which Adams was still at the top but not "freak" As for arms/hands he was on the slightly below avg as opposed to ideal even by combine numbers. Teams who factor in senior bowl is even more concerning
My argument is that Cowart's frame/measurables should/expected to be "elite" for a DT and overshadow some red flags in production
Adams measurables in contrast are very good but not can't miss/ignore years if inconsistent play
My argument is that Cowart's frame/measurables should/expected to be "elite" for a DT and overshadow some red flags in production
Adams measurables in contrast are very good but not can't miss/ignore years if inconsistent play
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:47 pm to GenesChin
Scout bumped Michael Harris, Richard Jibunor and Caleb Tannor to 4*s
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:53 pm to TigerPaw1
Seriously though, Byron Cowart is #47 on the bigboard for Matt Miller too. Guy has only 1 TFL in two years and may not even be in our rotation next year yet he has a RD1-2 draft grade by nearly every mock draft board 
Posted on 5/2/17 at 5:13 pm to GenesChin
Adams will have a long NFL career. Not injury prone, and just needs to learn the ropes.
Total man-child.
Total man-child.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 5:15 pm to GenesChin
Have met Byron twice. He has the physical tools. I wonder if he is avoiding injury sometimes?
Posted on 5/2/17 at 5:43 pm to jrljr
Another name to watch out QB is Cordell Littlejohn. He transferred from North Carolina to Roswell in GA and is Mailk Willis's heir apparent. Could become a target
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