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Big-Time Recruiting is now controlled by 20 programs
Posted on 1/25/17 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 1/25/17 at 1:12 pm
If you go back to 2011 and take a look at the last 6 signed recruiting classes for every program in College Football, its pretty amazing how the same programs are always at the top:
NUMBER OF TOP 10 CLASSES SINCE 2011:
6- Alabama, Ohio State
5- Auburn, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, USC
4- Texas
3- Florida, Michigan
2- Clemson, Ole Miss, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Texas A&M
1- Miami, Stanford, UCLA
Only 18 programs have landed a Top 10 class dating back to 2011. Shockingly, one of the programs missing from this list is Oklahoma. You have to go back to the Class of 2010 to find them in the Top 10.
If you widen it to Top 15 classes, the Sooners are fairly constant in the mix:
NUMBER OF TOP 15 CLASSES SINCE 2011:
6- Alabama, Auburn, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Ohio State, USC
5- Clemson, Florida, Notre Dame
4- Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M
3- Miami, Michigan, Ole Miss, UCLA
2- Oregon, Stanford
So Oklahoma and Oregon join the list of those other 18 schools to make just 20 programs who have landed at least two Top 15 recruiting classes during the previous 6 years.
There are just two other programs who have landed even a Top 15 class- Cal back in 2011... and Penn State in 2015.
It's unreal to me that only 22 programs have landed a Top 15 class during the last 6 years.
You have to go back all the way to 2007 to find another program from outside these 22 that landed a Top 10 class: South Carolina who came in at #7 back in 2007. That's been 10 years now.
Now look at the current 247Sports rankings for 2017, and these 20 again dominate the list. They make up the current 1-13 spots, along with #15, #16, #17, #23, #26, #30, and #51 teams.
Floria currently sits at #23, but they look like they'll finish with a Top 15 class by the time its over. Texas is currently at #26, but they too ought to be near the Top 15. Oregon sits at #30 and will probably move up into the Top 25. That leaves only Ole Miss way down at #51.
The highest rated teams right now that are NOT from this group of 20 are the following: #14 Penn State; #18 Maryland, #19 Virginia Tech, #20 South Carolina.
Penn State may stay up in the Top 15. The others all have over 25 commitments already, and they'll likely fall between now and the end of Signing Day.
NUMBER OF TOP 10 CLASSES SINCE 2011:
6- Alabama, Ohio State
5- Auburn, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, USC
4- Texas
3- Florida, Michigan
2- Clemson, Ole Miss, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Texas A&M
1- Miami, Stanford, UCLA
Only 18 programs have landed a Top 10 class dating back to 2011. Shockingly, one of the programs missing from this list is Oklahoma. You have to go back to the Class of 2010 to find them in the Top 10.
If you widen it to Top 15 classes, the Sooners are fairly constant in the mix:
NUMBER OF TOP 15 CLASSES SINCE 2011:
6- Alabama, Auburn, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Ohio State, USC
5- Clemson, Florida, Notre Dame
4- Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M
3- Miami, Michigan, Ole Miss, UCLA
2- Oregon, Stanford
So Oklahoma and Oregon join the list of those other 18 schools to make just 20 programs who have landed at least two Top 15 recruiting classes during the previous 6 years.
There are just two other programs who have landed even a Top 15 class- Cal back in 2011... and Penn State in 2015.
It's unreal to me that only 22 programs have landed a Top 15 class during the last 6 years.
You have to go back all the way to 2007 to find another program from outside these 22 that landed a Top 10 class: South Carolina who came in at #7 back in 2007. That's been 10 years now.
Now look at the current 247Sports rankings for 2017, and these 20 again dominate the list. They make up the current 1-13 spots, along with #15, #16, #17, #23, #26, #30, and #51 teams.
Floria currently sits at #23, but they look like they'll finish with a Top 15 class by the time its over. Texas is currently at #26, but they too ought to be near the Top 15. Oregon sits at #30 and will probably move up into the Top 25. That leaves only Ole Miss way down at #51.
The highest rated teams right now that are NOT from this group of 20 are the following: #14 Penn State; #18 Maryland, #19 Virginia Tech, #20 South Carolina.
Penn State may stay up in the Top 15. The others all have over 25 commitments already, and they'll likely fall between now and the end of Signing Day.
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 1:34 pm to BHMKyle
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NUMBER OF TOP 10 CLASSES SINCE 2011:
6- Alabama, Ohio State
5- Auburn, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, USC
Ouch. That's pretty tough to be listed with those programs and nothing to show for it.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 1:37 pm to crispyUGA
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Ouch. That's pretty tough to be listed with those programs and nothing to show for it.
In fairness, our one that didn't make the top 10 was a roster-destroying disaster
Posted on 1/25/17 at 1:50 pm to BHMKyle
OU will have a top 10 class this year, maybe top 5. They hit a rough patch there for a few years recruiting wise though it didn't really hurt them much on the field
Posted on 1/25/17 at 2:03 pm to crispyUGA
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Ouch. That's pretty tough to be listed with those programs and nothing to show for it.
Yes I'd love have a Championship... but we have the same number of National Titles since 2011 as Auburn, LSU, and USC. Zero.
Granted both Auburn and LSU played for one and lost. And they do each have an SEC Title.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 2:05 pm to BHMKyle
College football is broken, we've known this for several years now. Unfortunately there really isn't any way to make sure talent gets distributed more evenly so this snow ball effect will just continue.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 2:08 pm to skirpnasty
It's more distributed than it was before the 85 cap, so that's something.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 2:14 pm to Crowknowsbest
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before the 85 cap, so that's something
That was 15 years ago #Progress
Posted on 1/25/17 at 2:17 pm to skirpnasty
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College football is broken, we've known this for several years now. Unfortunately there really isn't any way to make sure talent gets distributed more evenly so this snow ball effect will just continue.
Reduce the number of scholarships and make them worth more.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 2:18 pm to Tdot_RiverDawg
Well, not sure what else you can do short of football socialism.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 2:27 pm to BHMKyle
Now?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 2:29 pm to skirpnasty
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College football is broken, we've known this for several years now. Unfortunately there really isn't any way to make sure talent gets distributed more evenly so this snow ball effect will just continue.
It's the most uneven playing field in any sport.
A hard cap of 25 scholarships would help. Maybe dropping the overall scholly count to 80.
It can be fixed though, sans a draft.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 2:35 pm to JesusQuintana
Recruiting services have just made it that much worse too. At least 15 years ago every single kid in the country wasn't properly evaluated, so kids slipped under the national radar and the local coaches had a huge leg up in their state.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 2:38 pm to skirpnasty
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College football is broken, we've known this for several years now. Unfortunately there really isn't any way to make sure talent gets distributed more evenly so this snow ball effect will just continue
I'm sure it seems that way when you're Mississippi State, have lost more than half the games you've ever played, and have to try and convince kids to live in Starkville for 4 years.
The only thing MSU has ever won is a split conference title before WW2 in 1941. That should tell you that it doesn't matter how CFB is now, if it's "broken", because its never worked for Mississippi state at all. No matter what you change to "evenly distribute" the talent (commie btw), Mississippi state still isn't going to be able to land it when they have the choice to go to another school.
That may sound like trolling because it's harsh, but that's the cold hard truth. Truth hurts. Accept it, learn to deal, and move on or find another team.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 2:40 pm to BowlJackson
You should agree with me seeing as Alabama literally has double the talent Auburn does.
It isn't just us starting at a disadvantage, its everyone right now. And only about 10-15 schools even have the luxury of being in the race.
Commie? Are you serious? The NFL has salary caps. Promoting an even playing field to improve the sport (a product, not a nation), is good business.
It isn't just us starting at a disadvantage, its everyone right now. And only about 10-15 schools even have the luxury of being in the race.
Commie? Are you serious? The NFL has salary caps. Promoting an even playing field to improve the sport (a product, not a nation), is good business.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 1/25/17 at 2:50 pm to skirpnasty
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Commie? Are you serious? The NFL has salary caps. Promoting an even playing field to improve the sport (a product, not a nation), is good business.
Except in this case we're talking about 17-18 year old kids deciding where they want to go to college.
Parity should absolutely be secondary as long as these kids have to be amateurs.
ETA: Changed to parity. It's already fair. Win more, make more money, build better facilities, and get richer bag men.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 1/25/17 at 2:51 pm to crispyUGA
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Ouch. That's pretty tough to be listed with those programs and nothing to show for it.
To be fair, if UGA beats Bama in '12 they surely would have smashed Notre Dame.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 2:54 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Competitive fairness should absolutely be secondary as long as these kids have to be amateurs.
I completely agree. But I also don't think they should be amateurs, way too much money is made off of them.
I think you could keep everything as is and implement a salary cap. Essentially let the coaches determine where they want to allot that spending. Adds a new level of competition to the system, puts a bigger premium on coaching decisions.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 2:56 pm to JamalSanders
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Reduce the number of scholarships and make them worth more.
The big time conferences don't want that. The entire reason smaller schools have become much more competitive is due to scholarship limits. The big conferences already don't want to implement a full playoff w/all conference winners. There is no way they will reduce scholarships and give the G5 teams even more ability to close the gap in talent. That would make it much harder to shut them out of the playoff money pie long term.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 1/25/17 at 2:59 pm to skirpnasty
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I completely agree. But I also don't think they should be amateurs, way too much money is made off of them.
I think you could keep everything as is and implement a salary cap. Essentially let the coaches determine where they want to allot that spending. Adds a new level of competition to the system, puts a bigger premium on coaching decisions.
I think players should be able to make money, but not from the schools themselves. Universities shouldn't be professional football franchises, imo. If a local car dealership wants to put a player in their commercial, go for it.
I disagree with your salary cap because I would prefer no set salary from the school for any governing body to cap.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 3:01 pm
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