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NATIONAL Top 100 players on our roster vs. our opponents

Posted on 11/7/16 at 9:46 pm
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 9:46 pm
2013-2016 classes:

Alabama - 36

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LSU - 22

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Tennessee - 12
Auburn - 11
Texas A&M - 10
Ole Miss - 9
UCLA - 8

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Arkansas - 4
Mississippi State - 3
South Carolina - 0

Anyone still think the following?

1. There isn't a significant talent disparity between A&M and LSU.

2. That we have any business losing to Arkansas, Mississippi State, or South Carolina.
This post was edited on 11/7/16 at 9:46 pm
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
23383 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:46 am to
Not sure why anyone on this board would even attempt to argue there isn't much of a talent disparity between Bama, LSU, and us.

There is clearly a difference, a big difference where it counts The Bama, LSU offensive and defensive lines are in a different league than ours. There is a drop off from Auburn to us as well.

Our line of scrimmage play on both sides of the ball hasn't been close to the physicality of 2012.

Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:08 am to
For good measure, let's look at the 2017 class national top 100:

Alabama - 7
LSU - 5

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Auburn - 1
Ole Miss - 1
South Carolina - 1
Texas A&M - 1

Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34904 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:06 pm to
What is depressing about Sherman's legacy here is he showed the absolute ceiling any optimist can hope for in a program that doesn't recruit top 10 classes every year. Pretty much every position where you can find diamonds in the rough (QB, WR, OL) he and his staff did. And it still wasn't good enough to overcome a lack of elite talent on the defense.

As a program, defense is probably a permanent liability for us. Chavis is coaching one of his worst defenses ever, and easily his worst after a full season at a program. It seems coaching is almost irrelevant in regards to the performance of a defense, how well you recruit is what defines the ceiling and the floor. Which super duper sucks because it means there will never be a magic bullet for our defense (like we thought we got with Chavis).

The only way I see this turning around isn't firing Sumlin because honestly Sumlin has recruited elite defensive players at a rate not seen since RC. What we need is what benefitted RC back in the day- some bad luck to programs around us.

We need the coach after Charlie to also flop at Texas, so that FINALLY kills that Vince Young created momentum that has the midget out recruiting us every year. We also need OU to get impatient with Stoops and run him off for someone worse, and for LSU to completely frick up their current hire. Maybe then we could finally field a defense somewhat close to what we dream of.
Posted by BugaPainTrain7
Oxford, MS
Member since Nov 2014
11567 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:37 pm to
12 people is enough to field one whole side of the ball...I'd say it's a big gap...cough cough Defense....

Plus 1
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 12:38 pm
Posted by Bubbles Up
Member since Jul 2011
2911 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:07 pm to
What we really need is the 7 on 7 offenses in this states' high school programs to go the way of the 8 track tape player.
Posted by Chill98
Member since Aug 2015
2151 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:37 pm to
RSJ and Garrett haven't been healthy all season. Sounds like Speedy was on the mend. Justin Dunning was also top 100 talent or close to it.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

Justin Dunning was also top 100 talent or close to it.


134th overall. Still not top-100.

In terms of top-100 players for A&M.

2013

Keith Ford - Transfer from Oklahoma
Ricky Seals-Jones
Priest Willis - Transfer from UCLA
Justin Manning - Injury Retirement

2014

Myles Garrett
Speedy Noil
*Kyle Allen - Transferred to Houston
Nick Harvey
Frank Iheanacho

2015

Daylon Mack
Christian Kirk
*Kyler Murray - Transferred to Oklahoma

2016

Justin Madubuike

2017

Kellen Mond
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 3:45 pm
Posted by Nguyening
SEMO
Member since Jun 2013
9094 posts
Posted on 11/10/16 at 12:28 pm to
Fickle boosters with middling results on field, stadium investment, oil prices, and the negative recruiting target of every regional school. It's been an underwhelming couple years with the top end recruits.
Posted by Chill98
Member since Aug 2015
2151 posts
Posted on 11/10/16 at 1:46 pm to
I agree with everything but middling results on the field. This has been the most successful span of Aggie football in quite some time.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34904 posts
Posted on 11/10/16 at 4:15 pm to
quote:

I agree with everything but middling results on the field. This has been the most successful span of Aggie football in quite some time.



The problem is that it isn't "the best span of football A&M has ever had period period" and that is what it will take to undo the caste system in our state.
Posted by Nguyening
SEMO
Member since Jun 2013
9094 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 12:00 pm to
It hasn't been a bad period. It's middling results relative to the perceived investment in the program. Best stadium in the country and top 5 paid coaching staff. A few top recruiting classes.

There are plenty of reasons why we haven't broken the glass ceiling, one of which is that the stadium can't tackle.

I'm not saying anything definitive about whats right or wrong, just observations.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
19940 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 1:58 pm to
Wrong... Michigan, n. Carolina, Louisville, BC Wisky, Va Tech, Wake fricking Forest, all better against the run and all have less latent on D, in some cases a LOT less. I could keep going but those were the ones that play tough teams and are power 5.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
19940 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 2:00 pm to
Y'all keep shining shite while Sumlin takes our goddamn money and laughs all the way to the bank.
Posted by Chill98
Member since Aug 2015
2151 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:56 pm to
quote:

The problem is that it isn't "the best span of football A&M has ever had period period" and that is what it will take to undo the caste system in our state.


A&M has already torn down the caste system in the state. The school just fine top 15 recruiting classes in almost every sport.

Our fans are upset about Football and Basketball. We've made huge strides, but those are the most corrupt sports in the NCAA. We could cheat like the Sips, but we would end up like Ole Miss. Let Sumlin keep stacking great classes and then getting these great transfers a year or 2 after they regret their "youthful" decisions.
This post was edited on 11/11/16 at 6:43 pm
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