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2016 Football Offense
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:59 pm
I haven't heard much about what our offense is going to look like other than an up tempo style. What do you think we can expect to see out of our new OC?
Sub-topic: Predict the QB with the most starts and their YDS/TDS/INTS.
For me - McIlwain - 2300/17/10
Sub-topic: Predict the QB with the most starts and their YDS/TDS/INTS.
For me - McIlwain - 2300/17/10
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:42 pm to atlgamecockman
https://www.alligatorarmy.com/2014/1/15/5287792/kurt-roper-offensive-philosophy-florida-gators-duke-blue-devils
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2189698-breaking-down-kurt-ropers-offense-after-florida-makes-huge-statement-week-2
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Roper is an exciting coach. His success at Duke has been lauded as a system succeeding with underrated prospects flourishing due to improved fundamentals and excellent coaching. Duke, a member of the ACC, improved from 90th to 28th in total offense from 2011 to 2013 under Roper's tutelage. Roper puts an emphasis on quarterback development and, with it, production in the passing game. In his time in Durham, Roper helped develop Thaddeus Lewis, the current starter for the Buffalo Bills and Sean Renfree, the seventh-leading passer in ACC history.
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First and foremost, Roper likes to throw the football. This was probably part of why he was hired in the first place. But his tendency to pass is often determined by the particular player leading the charge,
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Duke teams have run the ball with ferocity and toughness under Roper, and operated in these sets fairly often in 2013.
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Roper will call a lot of read option as a way of simplifying the offense, something he did with first-year starter Anthony Boone in 2013.
The read option gives the quarterback a choice, after one read of the defensive end, to either hand the ball off to the running back or keep it for himself. The read option is a staple in multiple NFL teams' offenses, including the Redskins, 49ers and Seahawks.
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These packages often simplify the assignments for the offensive line, reducing the need for guards to pull often or chop block. The line has one goal: Block the assigned man in a singular direction and get the the second level. In terms of skill, the running backs in Roper's system need to be able to be effective in the run and the pass
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The genius of Roper is his ability to create mismatches in the passing game. He'll assign roles and use picks, wide receiver motions and stutter steps in spread sets to either match a speedy wide receiver on a linebacker or a big tight end on a shorter defensive back.
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Duke's opportunities in the passing game have been a result of defensive backs not sticking to their assignments and Roper's creativity to get his skill players in space. A trend in Roper's schemes is to motion tight ends and running backs to achieve the aforementioned goals.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2189698-breaking-down-kurt-ropers-offense-after-florida-makes-huge-statement-week-2
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:45 pm to CockInYourEar
https://www.garnetandblackattack.com/south-carolina-gamecocks-football/2016/4/25/11496488/south-carolina-gamecocks-college-football-kurt-roper-will-muschamp
There are also stats in this link, but they won't format right for a copy/paste.
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Run Game
Coach Roper loves to pound the ball between the tackles with a physical runner early in the game, wearing down opponents. He runs a little up-tempo and continuously runs right behind either a pulling center or guard. This kind of running style would be perfect for David Williams and his 216-pound frame. After several inside zone looks from the pistol and shotgun, he diversifies his run game, similarly to OC Mike Shula of the Carolina Panthers. He starts running traps, counters, and outside stretch runs, pulling guards and centers regularly. With an athletic line, this could be a great running game, but at this point I don't know how our offensive line can hold up to this sort of attack. If they can, then look for a 1,000 yard season out of D-Will.
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Play-Action
This is where Coach Roper really opens up the game plan. With the bevy of inside runs and then more diverse runs schemes, defenses start to cheat up and put six, seven, or even eight guys in the box. This causes defenders to have to play man to man with almost no safety help. With a quick and well-executed play fake, you have the linebackers cheating up a step or two, maybe even freezing a corner or safety for a split second. This allows a receiver to get wide open down the field (Bryan Edwards?) and gives you the TE drag route right behind the linebackers. This gives the quarterback several reads to choose from as well as the RB releasing into the flat.
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Up-Tempo Offense
With the offense clicking on all cylinders between the run and the play-action pass, Coach Roper starts to throw in some read option looks, coupled with even more inside runs and a solid amount of passes to the flat/intermediate level of the field. This allows his QB to get comfortable and confident with the game plan set before him. Once things are in the right rhythm, Roper starts to speed the offense up, and gives his QB more and more complex pass schemes and shots down the field. This gets the defense on edge, not really knowing what to expect. If this all goes to plan as it has in the past, the offense should have this one well in hand.
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Scheme Adaptation
After seeing the template Coach Roper has his offense built around, I looked at the personnel he worked with. At Duke in 2013, he had Anthony Boone (who was a good passer but not all that athletic) and Brandon Connette (a good power runner for short yardage situations) operate at the QB position. He also changed his approach when Jeff Driskel went down halfway through the 2014 season at Florida, putting in a series of QB draws and basic pass concepts to get the inexperienced and athletic quarterback Treon Harris in position to win a game. This gives me some relief over the McIlwain/Bentley situation, as Roper's game plan can incorporate both of them and maximize their strengths. He also rotates running backs in and out a lot, which helps rest guys and keep their legs fresh. With a lot of unprovens behind David Williams, this could give some of the younger guys good game experience and show us what kind of potential this position group, thought of as a weakness by some, possesses.
There are also stats in this link, but they won't format right for a copy/paste.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:51 pm to CockInYourEar
Summary of the 2 posts above (TLDR version)
We're going Up Tempo (not necessarily HUNH, but we may do some of that.) We'll try to get a play off in under 15 seconds from when the ball is set for play. We'll have plays designed to immediately follow up long gains to help with that.
We'll use a power run game when it's working.
We'll use the read-option a lot with the QB/RB's. Like we've already been doing for years.
We're going to focus on creating mismatches in the passing game in speed and size. We'll also do a lot of timed throws to the big WR/TE's.
We'll often have a check down RB/FB/TE in the flats. We'll see more dual TE sets than we've seen the past 10 years. This will help with the running game.
The OL has much easier blocking assignments, 1on1 battles are more important, we'll have fewer Guards sweeping pulls and such.
We're going Up Tempo (not necessarily HUNH, but we may do some of that.) We'll try to get a play off in under 15 seconds from when the ball is set for play. We'll have plays designed to immediately follow up long gains to help with that.
We'll use a power run game when it's working.
We'll use the read-option a lot with the QB/RB's. Like we've already been doing for years.
We're going to focus on creating mismatches in the passing game in speed and size. We'll also do a lot of timed throws to the big WR/TE's.
We'll often have a check down RB/FB/TE in the flats. We'll see more dual TE sets than we've seen the past 10 years. This will help with the running game.
The OL has much easier blocking assignments, 1on1 battles are more important, we'll have fewer Guards sweeping pulls and such.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:00 pm to CockInYourEar
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Sub-topic: Predict the QB with the most starts and their YDS/TDS/INTS.
For me - McIlwain - 2300/17/10
McIlwain will be the starter - Orth may start game 1, but BMac will take over by Game2.
McIlwain - 2500/21/10
Posted on 7/6/16 at 7:31 pm to CockInYourEar
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Summary of the 2 posts above (TLDR version)
We're going Up Tempo (not necessarily HUNH, but we may do some of that.) We'll try to get a play off in under 15 seconds from when the ball is set for play. We'll have plays designed to immediately follow up long gains to help with that.
We'll use a power run game when it's working.
We'll use the read-option a lot with the QB/RB's. Like we've already been doing for years.
We're going to focus on creating mismatches in the passing game in speed and size. We'll also do a lot of timed throws to the big WR/TE's.
We'll often have a check down RB/FB/TE in the flats. We'll see more dual TE sets than we've seen the past 10 years. This will help with the running game.
The OL has much easier blocking assignments, 1on1 battles are more important, we'll have fewer Guards sweeping pulls and such.
So there'll be no more delay of game flags or timeouts needlessly spent to avoid them? I won't know how to deal with that lol....
As for mismatches in the passing game regarding speed and size: we'll have the size part down pat - 6-3 Belton, 6-3 Edwards, 6-4 Googer, and 6-5 Owens will all get looks this season, with incoming freshmen 6-3 Chavis Dawkins and 6-3 Diondre Champaigne also getting some practice snaps. We'll have 6-4 Markway, 6-4 Hurst, and 6-6 Jacob "Dan" August playing at TE for us.
So I don't know yet how well these guys can run routes and catch passes for us, but they'll give opposing DBs some cricks in their necks and cramps in their calf muscles from having to battle them on the field....
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:33 pm to CockInYourEar
Definitely agree, Mcilwain will end up starting at the latest by game 3 vs east Carolina.
I'm going to say passing 2750yds/22TD/13NT just because he will have some bad throws and freshman jitters. Rushing I'm going with 650/7TD
I'm going to say passing 2750yds/22TD/13NT just because he will have some bad throws and freshman jitters. Rushing I'm going with 650/7TD
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:04 pm to chawk195
Personally I hope the stats are as close or exceeding the predictions in this thread. Im not sure how most of us say we will win around 6 games at best with QB stats like that unless we get in a bunch of shootouts.
Stranger things have happened and I hope Bmac lights up the SEC this year.
I remain cautiously optimistic.
Orth starts season 750/4/3
Bmac finishes it out 1790/10/5 passing & rushing @650/3
I think we take some learning lumps early but pick up momentum mid season to finish strong. I will go out on a limb this year to say we edge the taters.
Stranger things have happened and I hope Bmac lights up the SEC this year.
I remain cautiously optimistic.
Orth starts season 750/4/3
Bmac finishes it out 1790/10/5 passing & rushing @650/3
I think we take some learning lumps early but pick up momentum mid season to finish strong. I will go out on a limb this year to say we edge the taters.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:11 pm to Mr.Sinister
I think with our defense it will have to be offense that wins games. I just don't have confidence we can defend the pass once teams realize that they can't run through us like cutting butter this year. I'm thinking lots of shootouts
Posted on 7/7/16 at 7:21 am to atlgamecockman
BMac- 2000/18/6
Posted on 7/7/16 at 7:59 am to ConwayGamecock
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So there'll be no more delay of game flags or timeouts needlessly spent to avoid them? I won't know how to deal with that lol....
Yes, but we'll probably end up balancing that out with False Starts. We were actually one of the least penalized teams in the SEC last year, but as it turns out...that really doesn't matter.....
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As for mismatches in the passing game regarding speed and size: we'll have the size part down pat - 6-3 Belton, 6-3 Edwards, 6-4 Googer, and 6-5 Owens will all get looks this season, with incoming freshmen 6-3 Chavis Dawkins and 6-3 Diondre Champaigne
The speed part is going to come from Deebo and Banks. Deebo is a legit sub 4.3's guy and from what I've been reading about Banks, he might be something close to that. Banks has been shining in the team workouts and player orchestrated passing drills. He's emerged as a deep ball threat. As high as 247 is on this guy, I think he'll end up on the 2 Deep as a true Fr right behind Deebo, since they fit similar molds. Or we could drop down to a single back and TE set, post Deebo and Banks on opposite sides and have them both run a post route and see who gets open first (or check down to the slot WR coming across the middle for a 15+ yard gain (all depends on if or which of the safeties bite.)
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:42 am to CockInYourEar
If I HAD to be critical of our staff it would be the questions I have about roper. He got off to an easy start having mcilwain and Bentley come on board but I'm not sure how much that had to do with him. The biggest question to me is how much of the Duke/ole piss offense was due to him and how much was due to Cutcliffe? Not bashing at all, it just my main concern.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:59 am to GameCocky88
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f I HAD to be critical of our staff it would be the questions I have about roper. He got off to an easy start having mcilwain and Bentley come on board but I'm not sure how much that had to do with him. The biggest question to me is how much of the Duke/ole piss offense was due to him and how much was due to Cutcliffe? Not bashing at all, it just my main concern.
I look at it kinda like good coaches make good coaches, it's why we often talk about successful Coaching Trees; like Bellicheck, Saban, Snyder, Stoops, Bob Davie, etc....
Cutcliffe was an elite OC and turned out to be a great HC for Duke's level. Roper studied under Cutcliffe for a decade. Urban and Mullen studied under Davie; Beliema, Stoops, and Mangino under Snyder, Muschamp, DiAntonio, and Fischer under Saban, etc..... Great Coaches pickup on successful habits/behaviors/initiative/plays that their previous leaders did.
Roper called the plays on offense at Duke, Cutcliffe never said anything to the contrary. He called the plays at UF and things were going great for them until their '14 injury bug kicked in and they lost a bunch of starters (including an unreal amount of OL.) I think Roper has enough experience to call plays in the SEC, and what I like about his setup is he's solely accountable. I was more frustrated last year with having Spurrier, Elliott AND Mangus calling in plays as whenever something went wrong there was no 1 person to blame. With this setup, if the offense doesn't click, it's on Roper and I'm fine with that. Also, if the offense does click, then it's on Roper as well.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 5:35 pm to CockInYourEar
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I was more frustrated last year with having Spurrier, Elliott AND Mangus calling in plays as whenever something went wrong there was no 1 person to blame.
don't forget this guy
I'm with ya. too many people and the (dis)organization to go along with it. the biggest plus USC will have under Muschamp/staff immediately is organization and a clear message to the players.
1 head coach that's active on both sides of the ball. assistant coaches who are held accountable for the positions they coach. no more playing "this guy's recruits" or favorites.
conditioning and organization will be the biggest difference in what we see in 2016 from the past 2 seasons.
no more of this shite...
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:48 pm to chawk195
I want some of whatever that guy is smoking haha
Posted on 7/8/16 at 1:51 pm to chawk195
I thought that prediction was hype, but then he had us lose to missouri...which is probably 1 of the games we'll actually win next year.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 4:41 pm to CockInYourEar
If that prediction actually came true, I'd dance naked in Death Valley. Hahahaha
Posted on 7/8/16 at 6:41 pm to CockInYourEar
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Roper called the plays on offense at Duke, Cutcliffe never said anything to the contrary. He called the plays at UF and things were going great for them until their '14 injury bug kicked in and they lost a bunch of starters (including an unreal amount of OL.) I think Roper has enough experience to call plays in the SEC, and what I like about his setup is he's solely accountable. I was more frustrated last year with having Spurrier, Elliott AND Mangus calling in plays as whenever something went wrong there was no 1 person to blame. With this setup, if the offense doesn't click, it's on Roper and I'm fine with that. Also, if the offense does click, then it's on Roper as well.
Also in the lone season that Roper was at Florida, they had the best scoring, passing, and total offensive numbers in the 4 years that Muschamp was their head coach. It was the only season that they averaged north of 30 ppg. And that was while losing their top QB to injury 3-4 gms into the season, and having to rely on a true freshman that was not ready to play to start the last half of the season. Muschamp is all about defense, so he can't take credit for that.
That's why afterwards Muschamp has publicly stated many times he wished he had hired Roper sooner, or he may still be the UF HC....
This post was edited on 7/8/16 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 7/8/16 at 7:10 pm to ConwayGamecock
that offense also was a slightly better scoring wise than the team that won the SEC East this year.
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