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Let's discuss next year's basketball team

Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:33 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:33 pm
Probable starting lineup as of now is:

Caldwell
Gilder
Hogg
Tony
Davis

We may end up grabbing another senior transfer guard and he will end up taking Caldwells place. Hard not to like this team. We will miss Caruso and Jalen and Danuel but I dont think we'll miss them as much as you'd think. For how great they were, danuel and jalen would take us out of rhythm at times
Posted by Farmer1906
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:46 pm to
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:46 pm to
Only one guy there who can create his own shot, so unless BK has an offensive epiphany I expect us to struggle offensively. Hogg and Troxha need to improve their defense A LOT.

In the end it's hard to get excited about any team coached by BK. His offense ruins the experience.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:47 pm to
There's a baseball game on buddy
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:48 pm to
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There's a baseball game on buddy
so?
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:51 pm to
I mean, we only really had one this year as well with jalen
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 8:52 pm
Posted by Chill98
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:01 pm to
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Caldwell
Gilder
Hogg
Tony
Davis


I could see

Gilder
Eubanks
Hogg
Tony
Davis

Bringing
JJ Caldwell, Robert Williams, and whoever we can rustle up by next year off the bench.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:28 pm to
I think Eubanks is coming off the bench next year mainly because I expect us to pick up a transfer
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 10:32 pm to
We had a 9 man rotation this year. We lose 4 of them

Collins -> Caldwell
House -> Eubanks
Jones -> Williams

But who replaces Caruso?

We're going to miss Caruso a lot. He does so many things well.

I don't think Jones or House is as good as everyone else does. I think House just not being out there will help the defense a bit. And both take too many obscenely bad shots.
Posted by tmc94
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 10:33 pm to
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I think Eubanks is coming off the bench next year

mark me down right now for Eubanks starting over Hogg
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 11:02 pm to
Caruso does many things well, but he also went through long stretches of being turnover prone and doesn't break a defense down as well as you'd like from a PG. Caldwell is already a better offensive player as a senior in HS than Caruso ever was, very similar type of player to Sloan.

The reality is that the player we'll miss the most is House because for all his faults, he hid A LOT of Kennedy's offensive ineptitude. He was the only player with the combination of size and athleticism to consistently get off his own shot and takeover games.

Next year Gilder will have the weight of the world on his shoulders on the offensive end. He'll be asked to bail us out a lot with his shooting and driving, and he'll take over House's role in Kennedy's "dribble for 10 seconds and throw up a three" end of half plays.

He'll score a lot
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 11:05 pm to
And if Hogg is backing up Eubanks we're in trouble
Posted by tmc94
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 12:03 am to
Efficiency numbers completely disagree with your entire argument as Caruso actually had both a higher Off Efficiency and Offensive +/- box than House this year.

Good offensive basketball is about a lot more than just shots. Though that does help explain why you think so highly of House.

But ftr, ACFresh also had a better PER, a better True Shooting %, and Effective Shooting %. He's a far better offensive player than you give him credit for, he just doesn't have an incredibly high usage rate.
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 12:10 am to
Hogg is fairly empty when he's not scoring. He's got a pretty shot but he only hit 33% from the arc this year. In fact after starting out 10 for 18 in his first 3 games, he only shot a brutal 29.9% the rest of the year.

He also was below 50% on 2-point shots and only hit 65% from the stripe. Those aren't good numbers for a scorer.

If Hogg doesn't significantly improve, he's not good enough in other areas of the game to be holding down a starting spot.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 12:55 am to
I'm going to assume a middle of the pack finish and an NIT berth at best in 2016-2017.
Posted by Chill98
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 7:17 am to
Robert Williams is an excellent shot blocker. We really didn't have that this year.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 3/25/16 at 7:44 am to
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Efficiency numbers completely disagree with your entire argument as Caruso actually had both a higher Off Efficiency and Offensive +/- box than House this year.

Good offensive basketball is about a lot more than just shots. Though that does help explain why you think so highly of House.

But ftr, ACFresh also had a better PER, a better True Shooting %, and Effective Shooting %. He's a far better offensive player than you give him credit for, he just doesn't have an incredibly high usage rate.



This misses the point entirely. The point isn't that House is a great offensive player, it's that he was very often the only reason we didn't get shot clock violations or throw up turnaround 25 footers. Nobody else could regularly create a decent shot for themselves in an offense that routinely works itself meaninglessly into the final five seconds of the shot clock.

People have forgotten our offense before he got here, like when we led the SEC in Ot clock violations in 2013.

And nothing you posted refutes the fact that Caruso lacks the playmaking athleticism you typically see elite teams get from their PG. Hes a very good defender and can run a fast break well but in the half court he was of limited use. His shooting % being so good is a testimony, like Collins, to the fact that he generally only took wide open shots. If he was asked to be the outlet for our schematic ineptitude like House he'd shoot about 20%.
This post was edited on 3/25/16 at 7:50 am
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 7:51 am to
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Nobody else could regularly create a decent shot for themselves in an offense that routinely works itself meaninglessly into the final five seconds of the shot clock.


I love House but he regularly created bad shots for himself early in the shot clock

Hate on Caruso all you want but he was probably the next best at getting to the bucket and finishing on the team behind House. He was plenty athletic enough to get in the lane, he just can't shoot for shite so everyone lagged off him once they figured that out
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 7:51 am to
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Hogg is fairly empty when he's not scoring. He's got a pretty shot but he only hit 33% from the arc this year. In fact after starting out 10 for 18 in his first 3 games, he only shot a brutal 29.9% the rest of the year.

He also was below 50% on 2-point shots and only hit 65% from the stripe. Those aren't good numbers for a scorer.

If Hogg doesn't significantly improve, he's not good enough in other areas of the game to be holding down a starting spot.


I don't disagree with any of this, I said if he isn't good enough to start by next year we are in trouble.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 7:57 am to
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but he regularly created bad shots for himself early in the shot clock



Agreed, but you live with that as a coach when your offense isn't in an of itself good enough to routinely produce good shots.

quote:


Hate on Caruso all you want but he was probably the next best at getting to the bucket and finishing on the team behind House. He was plenty athletic enough to get in the lane, he just can't shoot for shite so everyone lagged off him once they figured that out


I'm not hating on him at all, I'm saying we won't be missed as much as House. He was a very good four year player for us and, let's be honest, everyone remembers the scrappy white guy fondly.
This post was edited on 3/25/16 at 7:58 am
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