Anyone who doesn't know that the awful Civil War was centered on the issue of slavery is being mindfully ignorant. I can't recall a conflict within another nation that was caused by the principle that freedom is for all citizens.

It may sound weird but I'm glad for the war. It has resounded through the 151 years of history since it ended.

America's role as the leader of democratic nations was cemented by the Civil War, not the Revolution of 1776 or either of the World Wars. We showed the world that we would not back down from our pledge to offer equal opportunity to everyone and that there would be no one excluded from the human rights and dignity afforded by our Constitution.

Long live America, the land of equal opportunity.

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Posted by JustGetItRight

Member since Jan 2012

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Posted on 2/5/16 at 7:57 pm to Kentucker

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America's role as the leader of democratic nations was cemented by the Civil War, not the Revolution of 1776 or either of the World Wars. We showed the world that we would not back down from our pledge to offer equal opportunity to everyone and that there would be no one excluded from the human rights and dignity afforded by our Constitution.

This is as much revisionist history as the notion that the south did not secede over slavery.

The north did not go to war in a crusade to end slavery. They went to war to preserve the union and, more directly, because the south started shooting at them. Slavery ended in the south three years before it ended in the north.

Seventy five years after that war ended, another war began and immediately saw over a hundred thousand American citizens stripped of their property, their dignity, their constitutional rights, and their freedom based SOLELY on their ancestry.

The civil war served to hasten the end of an utterly vile and evil institution, but the rest of what you said is utter nonsense and completely disproven by historical fact.

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Posted by scrooster

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Member since Jul 2012

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Posted on 2/5/16 at 8:02 pm to Kentucker

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Anyone who doesn't know that the awful Civil War was centered on the issue of slavery is being mindfully ignorant. I can't recall a conflict within another nation that was caused by the principle that freedom is for all citizens.

It may sound weird but I'm glad for the war. It has resounded through the 151 years of history since it ended.

America's role as the leader of democratic nations was cemented by the Civil War, not the Revolution of 1776 or either of the World Wars. We showed the world that we would not back down from our pledge to offer equal opportunity to everyone and that there would be no one excluded from the human rights and dignity afforded by our Constitution.

Long live America, the land of equal opportunity.

Kentucky allowed the removal of the Jefferson Davis statue correct?

And all Confederate memorials are under attack, all across the South.

So it'll be okay when they decide to bulldoze the Confederate cemeteries too huh? Because there are already proposals for that to happen in one place.

I mean it's not like all the Muslim statues going up, silently across the country ... it's not like this is anything comparable to what ISIS is doing to the history of Syria right now, is it? Tearing down old Christian monuments because, well, they don't like them ... they find them offensive to Allah and all.

I read what some of you people in this thread are typing ... and it's disgusting. You just don't get it.

It's pathetic.

You cannot white wash a history of a region, or a country, just because you find certain past aspects of it offensive. It's just not done in civilized countries.

This is 2016. This is not the same America that it was 150-450 years ago. But people in this region should still be allowed to retain some semblance of their culture and tradition, retain their honor. Many a Southerner fought in other wars for this country.

So is it time to remove statues of Harry S. Truman ... because he is offensive to the Japanese? Or FDR for that matter, because he interned so many Japanese Americans?

This is a slippery slope and I had hoped we could have an adult, intelligent, conversation about the subject on this forum ... but I should have known better. Too many millennial pussies around here ... too much playing the race card. It makes anything resembling an adult conversation impossible.

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