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Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:25 pm to tissle
You're moderately liberal if you're seriously considering Hillary or Bernie. But there is nothing you can do, Trump is bringing chaos for the left wing crazies.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:30 pm to tissle
So you would be ok with a 75 year old with 0 functional knowledge of economics, or a woman whose been a failure at every position she has ever held, her argument is the same as Jeb Bush it's my "turn".
I really wish we could get a viable Libertarian
I really wish we could get a viable Libertarian
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:37 pm to DawgsLife
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I retired 3 years ago, and when i retired my insurance premium was $425. The next year it went up to $575, and I got a notice saying this year it would go up to $675. (Mind you, this is for me only...not my wife) People don't realize....somebody HAS to pay for the 30 million uninsured people that are supposedly getting insurance now.
Yep. I feel you. I recently went through a job change and had to get insurance for three months on my own. Cost me $535 a month for the first two months then I got a notice that effective the first of this year, it would be $640. Crazy. And we can't get a subsidy because my wife and I file taxes separately (as there are some benefits for us for doing so). You have to file jointly to qualify, regardless of your income.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:38 pm to tissle
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As a moderate - there is no way that I'm going to let my country be led by Trump.
And yet, many of Trump's supporters are so-called "moderates".
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:14 pm to WhopperDawg
quote:Lot's of stupid people who don't know how politics work. It's clear Trump has no idea what the frick he's doing politically speaking. Sure he can whip a crowd, but so did Obama and look how that turned out. Our past two presidents have been disasters, but voting in someone simply because they're not PC and aren't a career politician is not the way to go.
Trump isn't a politician which is attractive to a lot of people.
Also if Putin supports Trump that should be a major red flag, because Putin doesn't want another super power around when he continues to take Ukraine
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 3:34 pm to DawgsLife
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Absolutely. Government can work until everybody realizes that they can get everything for free. Then nobody wants to work. Why find a job if the government continues to pay you for not working and gives you insurance for little or nothing.
Or why would a corporation like WalMart want to pay a living wage or provide health insurance when they can lean on middle class taxpayers to pick up the tab for them?
Ya see, it goes both ways.
Bernie isn't your typical "Socialist"....he isn't in favor of turning over the means of production to the state. He wants a fairer economy where the government favors the people over businesses. Where we take from the folks who have been true "takers" the last 35 years(corporations, folks getting paid via stock, old wealth, etc.) and unleash that money on the lower and middle classes via programs that increase take-home pay while reducing liabilities caused by expensive healthcare, childcare, and education.
This "OMGurd!, He's a Socialist!" crap is going to have to come to an end unless you feel the widening wealth gap in this country is sustainable (it's not). 35 years of failed trickle-down, supply-side, voodoo economics has put us in this position and it's going to take some truly radical shifts in policy, such as those presented by Bernie, to right the ship. The pitchforks of the disenchanted who realize the American Dream no longer exists are going to come out eventually...you might as well vote for the "socialist" now and get it over with.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 3:35 pm to Glory, Glory
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You're moderately liberal if you're seriously considering Hillary
Hillary is the closest thing to St. Ronnie in this election. Ronnie was a liberal?
Posted on 1/5/16 at 4:02 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Or why would a corporation like WalMart want to pay a living wage or provide health insurance when they can lean on middle class taxpayers to pick up the tab for them?
Last time I checked, Walmart offers healthcare. And it isn't nearly as bad as what people make it out to be. Bottom line, they offer tiers of insurance and those folks who select the lowest tier plan should know ahead of time that a major illness could be costly. Based on the deductible and then the out-of-pocket max, that would be about $7,500 for an individual. It sucks, when you only make $12.92 an hour (Walmart full-time employee average), but you DO realize that healthcare providers WILL work with their patients (payment plans, discounting the bill, etc). Further, most healthcare providers will simply write-off an unpaid debt. I know. I spent a few years working in the ER. If you only knew how many people NEVER PAID A DIME.
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He wants a fairer economy
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Where we take from the folks who have been true "takers" the last 35 years(corporations, folks getting paid via stock, old wealth, etc.) and unleash that money on the lower and middle classes via programs that increase take-home pay while reducing liabilities caused by expensive healthcare, childcare, and education.
Riiiiight. Because that's "fair".
And really...a living wage? What is that, exactly? What do you want to pay the drive-thru jockey at Mickey D's? When you give them $15.00 an hour, are you also going to increase MY pay to account for my education, my experience, and my student loan debt incurred to better my marketable skills and get me ahead of that drive-thru jockey? Or are you just going to put us on the same playing field because that's what's "fair"??? Then what good is that student loan debt (and don't get me started on the bullshite "free education" whereby I wouldn't have that debt)?
Nothing is free. The day you get that through your head, you'll be a MUCH brighter person.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 6:17 pm to dawgfan24348
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Lot's of stupid people who don't know how politics work
Then your position has to be the politics of this country are working.
Please elaborate.
I think they are an unmitigated disaster.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 6:20 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Or why would a corporation like WalMart want to pay a living wage or provide health insurance when they can lean on middle class taxpayers to pick up the tab for them?
A living wage? What you aren't understanding is some of these businesses are not there to pay a living wage. They are in business to provide a product at a good price. They want high school kids that want extra spending money, not people wanting to support a family.
Think about this....if the minimum wage goes from $8 an hour to 15, how are the businesses going to cover the extra cost? Think:Raise prices. In a big way.
Liberals seem to think they are doing everybody a favor by raising the minimum wage. All the businesses do is raise prices to cover the extra cost of doing business. That keeps to lower wage earners right where they were before and it hurts the middle class. SURELY you can see this. if you don't, then you simply don't understand basic economics.
old wealth
Ahhhh, I see where you are coming from. If people earn money the government should take it away. because, after all, they don't deserve it, right? If their family runs a business for 100 years and pass the money they earned on to their heirs....well, we should take it away from them, right? Everybody starts off at square one. you know what happens when you do that? the smart, hard working people make the money again, and the people that just don't have the business acumen lose all their money again. You could star the world all over again and give everybody the same amount of money...the same house, car, clothes etc. and you know what happens? the lazy people spend until they are out of money. The drug addicts shoot all their money up their arms or snort it up their nose. The people that work hard and are smart how they invest their money will make more money and get ahead. but we should take it away, because it just isn't fair for them to have more.
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This "OMGurd!, He's a Socialist!" crap is going to have to come to an end unless you feel the widening wealth gap in this country is sustainable
Because there isn't a wealth gap in the Russia, right?
We have to warm to scoialism because there is a wealth gap? You want to be like Europe? Go ahead. We have a higher standard of living, and they still have poor people. I wonder why? The wealth inequality gap is widening all over the world, not just here in the United States. Shoot, we are not even the worst. MOST countries are pretty close in wealth inequality, but the left seems to make us want to believe we are WAY out of line.
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 6:22 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Hillary is the closest thing to St. Ronnie in this election. Ronnie was a liberal?
You mind backing this up? How are they alike? I mean....saying she is the closet to Reagan does not mean they are alike, you know. Russia is more like China than the United States, but Russia and China are nothing alike.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 6:26 pm to S1C EM
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Nothing is free. The day you get that through your head, you'll be a MUCH brighter person.
Absolutely. Somebody is paying for those "freebies".
Anybody that thinks the healthcare is free is not paying for it. But somebody out there (Me and you) are paying extra so somebody else can have "free" healthcare.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 6:29 pm to WhopperDawg
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Then your position has to be the politics of this country are working.
Please elaborate.
I think they are an unmitigated disaster.
I wouldn't think or say that our political system is working. Nor would I have said that our healthcare system was working. The problem is we should fix it, not trash it. It's when you have people using executive order to bend the public to their will that we get into trouble. And Obama isn't the only one to have used it. The Republicans have used it, too. Obama is just perfecting it. Practice makes perfect, and he is definitely practicing it....a lot.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 6:46 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 1/5/16 at 7:05 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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He wants a fairer economy where the government favors the people over businesses. Where we take from the folks who have been true "takers" the last 35 years(corporations, folks getting paid via stock, old wealth, etc.) and unleash that money on the lower and middle classes via programs that increase take-home pay while reducing liabilities caused by expensive healthcare, childcare, and education.
The old "let's take money from people who have earned it and give it to people who haven't" model. It's the basic core principle of being a democrat.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 7:17 pm to grey
What were those executive orders that FDR issued? I'm certain all presidents issue a gazillion little things here and there, but what were the BIG ones?
"Quality versus quantity."
"Quality versus quantity."
Posted on 1/5/16 at 7:21 pm to S1C EM
These are the big ones, I guess?
Notably putting the Japs in internment camps and not allowing people hoard their money.
Notably putting the Japs in internment camps and not allowing people hoard their money.
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 7:52 pm to grey
I'd say those are two big ones. So what are the other 3,520? My guess is they aren't major orders.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 8:19 pm to mmmmmbeeer
Debunking Bernie's plan.
Dude, you need to watch this on Bernie. Just get past all of Crowder's mocking antics and pay attention to the math.
Bernie's plan is beyond impossible. We are already $18.8 trillion in debt. You can't tax your way out of debt and into prosperity. Even Hillary knows this.
The problem with Hillary is she's got health issues and she's obnoxiously corrupt. The Clinton Foundation is a cesspool of conflicts of interest and corruption. Bill and Hilary making political decisions based on foundation donor wishes. Hillary abusing campaign finance regulations through their foundation. The Haiti Relief Fund, which was supposed to help rebuild Haiti after the big earthquake has been used by the Clintons to launder tens of millions.
I mean the list of laws they've broken could go on and on and on. Normal folks would have gone to prison long ago for the shite they've done. If you vote for Hillary, you're enabling further corruption. There is zero doubt that she would use her presidency to make all her friends and family so rich and powerful that they literally become untouchable. They're virtually untouchable already and that's only with the prospect of her becoming president. It'll get worse if she does. And we will eventually suffer for the shady decisions and insane over spending, bailouts, and policy that benefits her cronies that she inevitably makes.
We missed our chance with Ron Paul. And Rand is so far down the polls he doesn't stand a chance. He wasn't even his father either, but he at least isn't an establishment politician.
Cruz is the only guy who is the least likely to be tainted and corrupted by the establishment or super rich at this point. Trump has cronies he will try to play up to if he gets in. Bernie is the same, except he literally has zero clue about economics, which makes him worse. And Hillary is the definition of corruption and cronie politics.
Cruz actually has a freaking clue about economics, foreign policy, and the constitution too. Plus, just like Trump, both the Establishment Dems and Reps hate him. He's easily the least worse candidate of all these shitty candidates.
Dude, you need to watch this on Bernie. Just get past all of Crowder's mocking antics and pay attention to the math.
Bernie's plan is beyond impossible. We are already $18.8 trillion in debt. You can't tax your way out of debt and into prosperity. Even Hillary knows this.
The problem with Hillary is she's got health issues and she's obnoxiously corrupt. The Clinton Foundation is a cesspool of conflicts of interest and corruption. Bill and Hilary making political decisions based on foundation donor wishes. Hillary abusing campaign finance regulations through their foundation. The Haiti Relief Fund, which was supposed to help rebuild Haiti after the big earthquake has been used by the Clintons to launder tens of millions.
I mean the list of laws they've broken could go on and on and on. Normal folks would have gone to prison long ago for the shite they've done. If you vote for Hillary, you're enabling further corruption. There is zero doubt that she would use her presidency to make all her friends and family so rich and powerful that they literally become untouchable. They're virtually untouchable already and that's only with the prospect of her becoming president. It'll get worse if she does. And we will eventually suffer for the shady decisions and insane over spending, bailouts, and policy that benefits her cronies that she inevitably makes.
We missed our chance with Ron Paul. And Rand is so far down the polls he doesn't stand a chance. He wasn't even his father either, but he at least isn't an establishment politician.
Cruz is the only guy who is the least likely to be tainted and corrupted by the establishment or super rich at this point. Trump has cronies he will try to play up to if he gets in. Bernie is the same, except he literally has zero clue about economics, which makes him worse. And Hillary is the definition of corruption and cronie politics.
Cruz actually has a freaking clue about economics, foreign policy, and the constitution too. Plus, just like Trump, both the Establishment Dems and Reps hate him. He's easily the least worse candidate of all these shitty candidates.
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