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Why Carolina hired Muschamp instead of Herman and how the search failed.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 6:11 am
Posted on 12/7/15 at 6:11 am
I should start by saying that I have a background as an executive recruiter and search consultant. I am also passionate about SEC football. This is what I think happened:
I'm fairly certain that Ray Tanner used a search firm for this coaching opening. If he didn't he definitely should have and his results might have been different. If he did use a search firm - they absolutely dropped the ball when it came to Herman.
The most important skill a search consultant has is the ability to ask questions to determine a possible candidate's motivations for making a move. Why are they looking elsewhere at other opportunities? What is wrong with their current position? Are they only motivated by money? It's only by asking these questions that you can QUALIFY a candidate. What does that mean?
Nick Saban is obviously qualified to coach college football but he's definitely not a qualified candidate for the CAROLINA opening. Why? Simply because he's not motivated to actually make a move to USCe. He doesn't want to. Herman is also a qualified college coach, however, he was not qualified as a candidate for Carolina. He was literally not qualified by the search consultant. The search consultant didn't do their job by asking the right questions. If he/she would have determined the truth initially they wouldn't have wasted time with Herman.
Herman was job shopping- not because he necessarily wanted to move to Carolina but because he may have wanted some leverage to negotiate his new contract at Houston. My bet is that his agent knows how these things work. USCe was used to increase his value as a coach in the open talent market and they got played as a result. As a recruiter we were taught to uncover the TRUE motivating factors for a move and then we were taught to cover counter-offers early and often. This was not done. Therefore, thanks to USCe (and their search firm) Mr. Herman got a great raise at Houston and Carolina scrambled in the end to land Mr. Boom.
This is all simply my informed opinion.
I'm fairly certain that Ray Tanner used a search firm for this coaching opening. If he didn't he definitely should have and his results might have been different. If he did use a search firm - they absolutely dropped the ball when it came to Herman.
The most important skill a search consultant has is the ability to ask questions to determine a possible candidate's motivations for making a move. Why are they looking elsewhere at other opportunities? What is wrong with their current position? Are they only motivated by money? It's only by asking these questions that you can QUALIFY a candidate. What does that mean?
Nick Saban is obviously qualified to coach college football but he's definitely not a qualified candidate for the CAROLINA opening. Why? Simply because he's not motivated to actually make a move to USCe. He doesn't want to. Herman is also a qualified college coach, however, he was not qualified as a candidate for Carolina. He was literally not qualified by the search consultant. The search consultant didn't do their job by asking the right questions. If he/she would have determined the truth initially they wouldn't have wasted time with Herman.
Herman was job shopping- not because he necessarily wanted to move to Carolina but because he may have wanted some leverage to negotiate his new contract at Houston. My bet is that his agent knows how these things work. USCe was used to increase his value as a coach in the open talent market and they got played as a result. As a recruiter we were taught to uncover the TRUE motivating factors for a move and then we were taught to cover counter-offers early and often. This was not done. Therefore, thanks to USCe (and their search firm) Mr. Herman got a great raise at Houston and Carolina scrambled in the end to land Mr. Boom.
This is all simply my informed opinion.
This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 6:14 am
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Posted on 12/7/15 at 6:30 am to Beantownbulldog
Ray, is that you? 
I think Herman really wanted the UGA job but knew that it was Smart's to refuse. I don't think anyone wants the USCe job as no one could do what SOS did there, and even he couldn't win a SECC at Columbia.
Herman pulled back waiting on LSU or Auburn. One of these schools are likely to have an opening after the '16 season.
I would have liked to see what Herman could do, offensively, at UGA. But Smart was ultimately the right hire.
I think Herman really wanted the UGA job but knew that it was Smart's to refuse. I don't think anyone wants the USCe job as no one could do what SOS did there, and even he couldn't win a SECC at Columbia.
Herman pulled back waiting on LSU or Auburn. One of these schools are likely to have an opening after the '16 season.
I would have liked to see what Herman could do, offensively, at UGA. But Smart was ultimately the right hire.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 6:33 am to Cobb Dawg
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But Smart was ultimately the right hire.
I wholeheartedly agree. The reason is because of CKS's motivations which are more pure. A chance to become a coach at his Alma Mater where he should show loyalty for years down the road.
The exact opposite of a money grab.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 6:48 am to Cobb Dawg
I honestly think that he is waiting on Texas or Texas A&M. One of those jobs will be open in the next year or two.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 7:01 am to Damn Good Dawg
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I honestly think that he is waiting on Texas or Texas A&M. One of those jobs will be open in the next year or two.
Yep, once you have established yourself as a recruiter in a particular region, in this case the Southwest, it's a strong selling point for another coaching job in that region. This at least to some extent explains why Smart was attractive to UGA in spite of the lack of HC experience (Smart knows Southeast recruiting) and why Herman got a fat raise at Houston and will be looking for other opportunities in that region.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 7:15 am to Damn Good Dawg
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I honestly think that he is waiting on Texas or Texas A&M. One of those jobs will be open in the next year or two.
Yeah I think his future is in Austin. I also think he would listen if for whatever reason (Meyer to NFL?) the OSU job came open.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 7:25 am to VADawg
That Texas thing is a head-scratcher. How do you fail there? WTF happened to the SWC?
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:32 am to VADawg
Even with the recent with over Baylor?
Posted on 12/7/15 at 9:10 am to Cobb Dawg
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That Texas thing is a head-scratcher. How do you fail there? WTF happened to the SWC?
I guess Texas is proof that you can fail anywhere if you don't have good QB play. They haven't had a good one since McCoy broke his shoulder against Alabama.
More than that, it was always going to be a painful few years of rebuilding there. Mack Brown didn't exactly leave the cupboard stocked and Strong was in a tough spot from the beginning. I obviously don't know this, but I think there are boosters there who are still upset that they didn't get Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, Gruden, Chip Kelly, etc. I think Charlie Strong is a good football coach and will succeed somewhere, but it doesn't look like he's the right fit for that job. Texas has always been somewhere that I think needs a back slapping, arse kissing good old boy as their HC, and Strong isn't that guy.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 9:48 am to Cobb Dawg
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I think Herman really wanted the UGA job
You're not biased or anything.....
Why do you think this when everything says its Texas or bust for him next year?
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:05 am to BMC398
Herman has super human IQ... No fricking way he would have put himself in that shite storm. USC's cupboards are bare. Spurrier set them back 5 years with his recruiting the last few years. Th fans also hav a taste of success, so they don't want 7-5. Also, their in state rival is on a roll. Muschamp getting all that money was a coup for him and an indication of how bad of a job it is right now. Good for him. H will be a DC in 4 years and have $20m of USCs money in his pocket. Not like his rep can get much worse.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:24 am to Cobb Dawg
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That Texas thing is a head-scratcher. How do you fail there? WTF happened to the SWC?
Mack got lazy with recruiting....while TCU jumped to the P5, Baylor found a program and TAMU moved to the SEC.
3 teams that went from basically 2nd, 4th and 5th placed in Texas to being nationally relevant and in a hurry. They locked down the state pre-2010...from there....not so much. That team is not as talented as it should be. I fully think that Strong can get them over the hump to being respectable...but until they bring in more talent and build an Oklahoma like D they won't win the conference.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:33 am to Beantownbulldog
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The reason is because of CKS's motivations which are more pure.
We are talking not just college football coaching, but SEC coaching. Coaching at your alma mater is all well and good, but at the end of the day it is all about money. The ability to get wins means more money. Ego also plays a role, too. (Returning to your alma mater is ego and not altruism). Ego is a quality you want in a football coach.
I'm excited about CKS to Athens, but I don't kid myself as to his motives. That's not a value judgment. It is just reality. Otherwise, why would Jimmy Sexton be involved?
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:56 am to BMC398
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I think Herman really wanted the UGA job
You're not biased or anything.....
Why do you think this when everything says its Texas or bust for him next year?
Oh, I don't know. Maybe it was because every reputable source in CFB was saying that Herman really wanted the UGA job. That was my first hint.
Report: Tom Herman ‘highly interested’ in Georgia opening LINK via @SDS
Posted on 12/7/15 at 12:42 pm to Cobb Dawg
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Oh, I don't know. Maybe it was because every reputable source in CFB was saying that Herman really wanted the UGA job. That was my first hint.
Report: Tom Herman ‘highly interested’ in Georgia opening LINK via @SDS
Every reputable source.....or SDS and 247?
Those are totally different.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 12:51 pm to BMC398
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Every reputable source.....or SDS and 247?
Those are totally different.
Why would a Tech, I mean a Purdue, fan be on a UGA board challenging my sources?
Posted on 12/7/15 at 1:28 pm to Cobb Dawg
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Why would a Tech, I mean a Purdue, fan be on a UGA board challenging my sources?
Ask me where I went to college. Then I'll ask you.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 2:16 pm to BMC398
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Ask me where I went to college. Then I'll ask you
I really don't give a frick.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 2:17 pm to Cobb Dawg
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I really don't give a frick.
It would answer your question as to why im here.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:51 pm to BMC398
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You're not biased or anything.....
Why do you think this when everything says its Texas or bust for him next year?
beause uga is a job like texas, you dont pass it up
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