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re: Is Big Six Status Permanent?

Posted on 9/28/15 at 2:24 pm to
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 9/28/15 at 2:24 pm to
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We were and are big 3

along with Bama and LSU


You may could have made that argument a decade ago, but not now. You are "Big 6" and whatever lead you once had over Georgia, LSU, Auburn, and Florida has nearly been squandered over the past 15 years.

Since 2000, Tennessee is a miserable 14-45 against the other "Big 6" programs.

Here are how the "Big 6" programs have faired against each other since the conference was formed in 1933...

Winning % against other "Big 6" programs since 1933:

60.5%- Alabama (165-106-11)
50.5%- Florida (140-137-6)
49.0%- Auburn (147-153-10)
46.8%- Georgia (120-137-8)
45.9%- Tennessee (101-120-11)
45.5%- LSU (101-120-11)

So since the conference was formed back in 1933, Tennessee and LSU actually have the worst performance against other "Big 6" members.

So much for all of that "Big 3" talk.

This is also striking to me....

Number of games played against other "Big 6" members since 1933:

310- Auburn
283- Florida
282- Alabama
265- Georgia
232- Tennessee
224- LSU

LSU and Tennessee have also played by far an easier conference schedule over the years compared to the other big guys.

In the early 2000s, Tennessee would have been without a doubt #2 in the conference. But with their 14-45 record sine 2000 against the other "Big 6" programs, UT is now underwater against the "Big 6" since the formation of the SEC, and they are a few more losses away from being dead last in that category.

Hard to claim "Big 3" along with LSU when Tennessee and LSU are trailing the pack when it comes to performance against the rest of the "Big 6" since the SEC was formed.

It's the "Big 6" period. The only way one might be able to slice it up would be "Bama and the next 5"
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 9/28/15 at 4:15 pm to
quote:

Winning % against other "Big 6" programs since 1933:

60.5%- Alabama (165-106-11)
50.5%- Florida (140-137-6)
49.0%- Auburn (147-153-10)
46.8%- Georgia (120-137-8)
45.9%- Tennessee (101-120-11)
45.5%- LSU (101-120-11)


So the benchmark appears to be to have a minimum 45% winning percentage against the "Big 6" going back to the formation of the conference.

To put this in perspective, this is where the next three closest programs stand (Texas A&M and Missouri excluded for now):

34.1%- Ole Miss
29.8%- Mississippi State
29.5%- Arkansas

In order to get to 45% winning percentage against the Big 6...

Arkansas would have to win their next 35 games against the "Big 6"

Ole Miss would have to win their next 56 games against the "Big 6"

Mississippi State would have to win their next 95 games against the "Big 6"

I think this puts it all into perspective as to how joining the "Big 6" can't be done because a certain team happened to have one great year. That one great year just erased one of the 30 bad years which currently hinder you from being in the Big 6.


It works in the other direction too. Since Ole Miss is the next closest, with a 34.1% record against the "Big 6" since the SEC was formed, let's actually say as long as you stay above 40% then a current "Big 6" member gets to keep its membership (they'd still be quite a bit ahead of Ole Miss at that point).

LSU would have to go 0-32 in its next 32 games vs. the "Big 6" to fall below 40%

Tennessee would have to go 0-35 in its next 35 games vs. the "Big 6" to fall below 40%

Georgia would have to go 0-46 in its next 46 games vs. the "Big 6" to fall below 40%

Auburn would have to go 0-71 in its next 71 games vs. the "Big 6" to fall below 40%

Florida would have to go 0-75 in its next 75 games vs. the "Big 6" to fall below 40%

Alabama would have to go 0-145 in its next 145 games vs. the "Big 6" to fall below 40%

If a program plays 3.5 games per year against "Big 6" opponents, it would take Alabama 41 years of being winless against the "Big 6" in order to fall down to a point in which its "Big 6" status might be questioned.

While LSU is the closest, it would still take them around 9 seasons of going winless against the "Big 6" in order to have their status questioned.

Even then though, these programs would be at 40% against the "Big 6" since the SEC was formed... the next closest (Ole Miss) would still be way down at 34.1%. So we're just talking the point of having the status even questioned.

So the point is that if Ole Miss has a great year and wins the SEC, it does not improve their status.

Likewise, if Tennessee struggles and goes 4-31 against the "Big 6" (as they have since 2006), their status is still safe.

As bad as the Vols have been in the last decade, they'd have to fair even worse in the next decade ahead for their status to begin being questioned. They've won 4 of their last 35 games vs. the "Big 6". They'd have to win zero of their next 35 games in order to fall below 40% against the "Big 6" since 1933.

So again, this membership is not something that is reviewed every year. If Arky, A&M, or Ole Miss can put together a 10-15 year period of sustainted success and multiple championships, then the conversation might be able to be started. But at this point, we're no where close.
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