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re: Florida wouldn't take Ukwuachu Transfer
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:11 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:11 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Excepts it tells you exactly what they allegedly told people I still don't think you've read it
That wasn't news. Chris Petersen already scooped them by telling everyone what he and others at Boise provided to Baylor which is the school that is relevant as Balor was the school that took him. I'm glad you like stories about Baylor and Purple Baylor, but no one else really cares. Baylor will either fire him because it is his fault that all this happened, or they won't. Sports Illustrated isn't going to be able to influence it because the story doesn't appear to be generating much interest.
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:13 pm to therick711
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That wasn't news. Chris Petersen already scooped them by telling everyone what he and others at Boise provided to Baylor which is the school that is relevant as Balor was the school that took him. I'm glad you like stories about Baylor and Purple Baylor, but no one else really cares. Baylor will either fire him because it is his fault that all this happened, or they won't. Sports Illustrated isn't going to be able to influence it because the story doesn't appear to be generating much interest.
You sure seem to care quite a bit
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:16 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
We know that Peterson has integrity. The same is true of Muschamp.
Briles? Even without this revelation about UF, I believed he was lying, just based on Peterson's account.
Now, I think there can be no doubt.
Briles? Even without this revelation about UF, I believed he was lying, just based on Peterson's account.
Now, I think there can be no doubt.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:16 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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You sure seem to care quite a bit
I knew you would say that. 
I have an opinion on it because my belief is that if SI thinks that Briles bears responsibility for what happened, they should come out and say that and be up front with their mission statement which is they want Briles under fire. Instead, they just keep filing story after story that doesn't really have anything to do with Baylor. What Will was told and what Florida did, that isn't relevant to what Baylor did. If this were a trial (which it isn't, I'm just trying to explain my point of view), nothing about this story would come in. It is meant to inflame without being relevant or probative on the actual issue. That being said, I understand why Aggie fans are interested. It damages a school that you compete with and that runs a similar system. You guys recruit in the same state, largely the same kids. Anything that hurts Baylor is good for A&M. I don't think most people have that same connection to it.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:18 pm to therick711
It sure generated interest when Saban let Taylor on his team. Where is all the outrage and outcry? Could it be that there is a different standard for coaches in the SEC? Especially Saban? Nah, that couldn't be it.......
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:20 pm to therick711
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I have an opinion on it because my belief is that if SI thinks that Briles bears responsibility for what happened, they should come out and say that and be up front with their mission statement which is they want Briles under fire.
It is like you have no clue how modern media or social media shaming works.
Baylor broke no NCAA rules, but what they did made some people very unhappy. Given a lack of any real consequences, the media is making sure the University loses in the court of public opinion (because any fallout from this story would make it a better story for the season).
It is like you were born yesterday. No one actually goes toe to toe anymore. You build up an army of social sympathy and vanquish the social media feeds of your enemies.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:20 pm to AgsNguyening
This is such a giant shite sandwich.
1. The university failed the victim by not moving her out of class and then diminishing her sholarship
2. The university had possibly the WORST investigation in the history of investigations.
I really don't care about the Briles aspect as I have prejudices against him but for an institution to just railroad a victim.
1. The university failed the victim by not moving her out of class and then diminishing her sholarship
2. The university had possibly the WORST investigation in the history of investigations.
I really don't care about the Briles aspect as I have prejudices against him but for an institution to just railroad a victim.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:21 pm to Ldrake53
You guys are just crazy jealous that Baylor's stridently pro-rape agenda will allow them to once again proudly carry the Big 12 banner into another a high profile bowl game - and lose.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:21 pm to cardboardboxer
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cardboardboxer
Minus the gratuitous shots you took at me, I actually agree with you. I'm advocating for the position that if SI has a beef, they should tell everyone that Briles needs to go and they won't stop chasing this until he does. They won't just come out and say Briles made this happen. "He is just as responsible as Ukwuachu is." We all know that's what they think, but they won't go all the way with it.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:22 pm to therick711
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without being relevant
I don't necessarily disagree with anything else in your post except this. I was kind of waiting for something like this to happen because I doubted Baylor was the only school that enquired about him. UF has zero reason to lie and what they were told is absolutely relevant to the story, whether or not it's admissible in a court of law
And I'm sure SI will have commentators call for Briles resignation if they haven't already. They aren't deadspin so I doubt the entire magazine is going to come out and say what you suggested
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:24 pm to Jobu93
Good for Muschamp.
Bad for Briles.
Bad for Briles.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:25 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I don't necessarily disagree with anything else in your post except this. I was kind of waiting for something like this to happen because I doubted Baylor was the only school that enquired about him. UF has zero reason to lie and what they were told is absolutely relevant to the story, whether or not it's admissible in a court of law
It doesn't make any fact regarding Baylor more or less probable. It is certainly possible that Will had a better relationship with Boise and its staff and they were more upfront with him then they were with Baylor. That's why it doesn't matter what they may have told Florida. The dispute is, apparently, over whether or not they told Baylor that. It looks like Briles is lying, but he is basically being pilloried for this like he did the crime. Anywho . . .
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:25 pm to Spirit Of Aggieland
Not surprised one iota.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:26 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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And I'm sure SI will have commentators call for Briles resignation if they haven't already. They aren't deadspin so I doubt the entire magazine is going to come out and say what you suggested
Normative versus positive. I'm describing what is, not advocating for what it should be. My worldview is they should be honest. They won't, we all know that, but I was trying to inform your opinion.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:26 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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You are really missing the point of this article, which showed that Boise was forthcoming with info regarding the transfer with the Florida staff, which would mean they likely were with Baylor as well
No it doesn't. It just means that they were forthcoming with the Florida staff.
That Baylor didn't do their due diligence seems pretty obvious on its face, but doesn't have anything to do with whether Boise State was more, or less, forthcoming with Florida.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:29 pm to therick711
What other stories has SI done on this? Serious question, I might have missed them, I just didn't notice them driving the train on it like you're suggesting
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:32 pm to therick711
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That being said, I understand why Aggie fans are interested. It damages a school that you compete with and that runs a similar system. You guys recruit in the same state, largely the same kids. Anything that hurts Baylor is good for A&M.
Not really. If anything it could be very bad for us. Out of the two successful privates (TCU/Baylor) the Briles program is definitely more of a paper tiger- they get blasted in bowl games. But they provide a foil to a TCU program that could go full Miami Mode (which would COMPLETELY frick up our recruiting) without someone around to hang a yearly loss on them. If I have my choice Briles stays at Baylor.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:35 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I was kind of waiting for something like this to happen because I doubted Baylor was the only school that enquired about him. UF has zero reason to lie and what they were told is absolutely relevant to the story, whether or not it's admissible in a court of law
this
100% spot on
the people arguing with you are being obtuse, and in fact are demonstrating what is wrong with our country and society as a whole
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:36 pm to oman
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No it doesn't. It just means that they were forthcoming with the Florida staff.
That Baylor didn't do their due diligence seems pretty obvious on its face, but doesn't have anything to do with whether Boise State was more, or less, forthcoming with Florida.
Which do you think is more likely, that Boise selected to be more forthcoming with certain schools compared to others, or they told all the schools that asked about him the same thing?
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:38 pm to oman
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That Baylor didn't do their due diligence seems pretty obvious on its face, but doesn't have anything to do with whether Boise State was more, or less, forthcoming with Florida.
The Boise St coach went out of his way to contact Briles about the player. We have to assume if he was that motivated to initiate the contact than he was as forthcoming with Briles as he was to any program.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 4:38 pm
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