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Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:19 pm to 5thTiger
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:19 pm to 5thTiger
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The Republicans have been hijacked by Tea Party conservatives who have rolled social issues to the forefront of the party.
While some holy rollers have fallen under the TP umbrella, the quoted is flatly false.
The moral majority really pushed the social issues a couple of decades ago. If anything, this is the most socially liberal conservative movement in recent memory. Yes religious conservatives are still a sizable portion of the GOP and have to be pandered to, but the Tea Party's main focus is on fiscal issues and has been on fiscal issues. I fell into the trap of this thinking before, but it's just wrong.
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They have alienated many social groups from supporting them.
They lose gays on the gay marriage issue but make up way more in religious conservatives. They lose some women on abortion, but without seeing the numbers it is not THAT big of a difference.
The GOP's big demographic loss has been with Hispanics due to the tone of the immigration discussion. That's not a policy position problem, as much as a presentation problem. Sure it won't be super popular, but the xenophobia bubbles under the surface.
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:30 pm to Duke
Brookings Minority Turnout
Voter by Race
Women's Votes
I mean, statistics show that minorities and women have recently voted Dem, and pretty substantially.
Anything more than a 2 or 3 point difference is pretty substantial in the political world. Couldn't find any numbers on the gay community, but I'd probably guess that they went Dem too.
Edit: As for the ignorance statement about the Tea Party... I can't put it better than Sorkin did in Newsroom. Tea Party Tea Party 2
While it is a hindsight looking series, most of the facts are correct.
As for my comments on Tea Party social issues, a large portion of its caucus have given very firm public statements on multiple social issues, including gay marriage, immigration, and pro-life. It isn't ignorant to say that these social issues hold back what might be good fiscal policies.
Voter by Race
Women's Votes
I mean, statistics show that minorities and women have recently voted Dem, and pretty substantially.
Anything more than a 2 or 3 point difference is pretty substantial in the political world. Couldn't find any numbers on the gay community, but I'd probably guess that they went Dem too.
Edit: As for the ignorance statement about the Tea Party... I can't put it better than Sorkin did in Newsroom. Tea Party Tea Party 2
While it is a hindsight looking series, most of the facts are correct.
As for my comments on Tea Party social issues, a large portion of its caucus have given very firm public statements on multiple social issues, including gay marriage, immigration, and pro-life. It isn't ignorant to say that these social issues hold back what might be good fiscal policies.
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:32 pm to Duke
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but the Tea Party's main focus is on fiscal issues and has been on fiscal issues. I fell into the trap of this thinking before, but it's just wrong.
i meant to address that bit of ignorance, but got caught up. thank you, as always, Duke for your middle of the road fairness
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:46 pm to Duke
The TP and evangelical line was somewhat blurred after the 2010 election. The two factions kind of became co-dependent on each other, and thus lumped together. The evangelical voice had gotten marginalized in a lot of ways, but still had some pull within the party. The TP had no pull within the party, but had the momentum of winning several House seats.
Michelle Bachmann is often labeled a TP republican, but she's been around longer than the TP. She's always been a bit evangelical, but didn't gain noteriety until after the TP surge in 2010. I think she's the best example of how the line between the 2 factions became blurred following the 2010 election.
Michelle Bachmann is often labeled a TP republican, but she's been around longer than the TP. She's always been a bit evangelical, but didn't gain noteriety until after the TP surge in 2010. I think she's the best example of how the line between the 2 factions became blurred following the 2010 election.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 6:25 pm to Duke
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They lose some women on abortion, but without seeing the numbers it is not THAT big of a difference.
The GOP likely won't ever get the women vote. They'll keep around 45% of it.
Most women have a tendency to react emotionally to events rather than logically. Most liberal/democrats are good at pandering to emotion while conservatives always try to take the "reason" route.
Ever try to reason with a woman?
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