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re: Ted Cruz announces candidacy.

Posted on 3/24/15 at 1:32 pm to
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 1:32 pm to
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the Republicans nominate someone pro-gay marriage and pro-choice.


i think people on the other side greatly underestimate the pro-life movement and their fervor.

i can give or take a lot of movement on issues, but i cannot vote for a pro choice candidate. i hate to give credence that much to a single social issue but i feel that passionately about it and as much as you'd like to marginalize the evangelical base, they vote a lot. i could go into more detail, but i don't think a pro-choice republican could ever get out of the primaries. pro-gay? sure. drug legalizer? you bet.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70986 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 1:34 pm to
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but i don't think a pro-choice republican could ever get out of the primaries.


I disagree and think you vastly underestimate how many people, conservative and liberal, are pro choice. Bring pro life = losing the women vote.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 4:07 pm to
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i think people on the other side greatly underestimate the pro-life movement and their fervor.


I know people that went to the planned parenthood in Bryan to pray for the murdered babies and now are living in Florida and have told me they don't want kids and are pro-choice. I fully understand the fervor of the Evangelicals I grew up in the Dallas suburbs and went to A&M. I also know that while the country finally shifted pro-choice for the first time in a long time but that has a lot to do with young evangelical women being sexually active but using contraception. It's become an issue of personal responsibility to millenials because they are humping away on birth control and taking plan b out of pez dispensers. They aren't seeing friends and family affected by young unplanned pregnancies anymore and it has changed their view. It has nothing to do with increased belief in Evangelism even though some time wish it was.

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i can give or take a lot of movement on issues, but i cannot vote for a pro choice candidate.


I respect your beliefs on the issue and as someone who has had unplanned pregnancy in the family by a young college aged cousin and an 18 year old cleat chaser, I agree with being pro-choice but I respect those who aren't and love my family member being with us.

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i hate to give credence that much to a single social issue but i feel that passionately about it and as much as you'd like to marginalize the evangelical base, they vote a lot.


I agree they vote alot but Obama won twice in a row, and while the country is leaning more right on the pro-choice issue, which I attribute to millenials growing use of birth control not increased evangelism, they are moving left everywhere else. The Evangelicals vote a lot but not enough to matter in a Presidential election anymore. They have lost presence and influence among the voting base in swing states. Especially the voting base of the young that only vote in Presidential elections. It wasn't enough in 08 or 12, it won't be enough now.

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could go into more detail, but i don't think a pro-choice republican could ever get out of the primaries. pro-gay? sure. drug legalizer? you bet.


Agreed. Or better yet he'd have to say he persoissues.disagrees with abortion but thinks it should be left to the states. That stance might help him escape the primaries but maybe not. And yeah the pro-drug and pro-gay better escape the primaries soon. Republicans are on the losing side of history on those issues
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 4:09 pm
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