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re: Do you think the Civil War was started over slavery?

Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:31 pm to
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:31 pm to
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Some states just thought the fed gov had too much power in general and the states couldn't control everything like they wanted whether it was trade, slavery, taxes etc.
States like which.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:32 pm to
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that's why I said no.


That's why I stated the obvious.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:34 pm to
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There was a conglomeration of many things that led to it. States Rights being the primary


Which rights, specifically?
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:36 pm to
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Which rights, specifically?


The right to secede was a big one.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:36 pm to
Slavery was the primary representation of the larger issue at hand. It was the most economically relevant issue regarding the debate over state's rights.

What bugs me is that people seem to have the belief today that the north fought the war out of some noble belief that slaves should be free. Few in the north gave two shits about the slaves themselves.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:38 pm to
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What were some other factors, in your opinion?


Not allowing the states to individually trade with other nations was a pretty big deal.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:39 pm to
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people seem to have the belief today that the north fought the war out of some noble belief that slaves should be free. Few in the north gave two shits about the slaves themselves.


I agree with this.

Equally irking are the scores of folks (usually southerners) who jump through so many mental hoops to try to convince folks that slavery really had nothing to do with the war at all.

Two preposterous positions--this is the problem when folks try to oversimplify a conflict in order to fit their particular narratives, tbh.
Posted by stevengtiger
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:41 pm to
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Few in the north gave two shits about the slaves themselves.


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Northern states, which had heavily invested in their still-nascent manufacturing, could not compete with the full-fledged industries of Europe in offering high prices for cotton imported from the South and low prices for manufactured exports in return. Thus, northern manufacturing interests supported tariffs


They cared about getting that tax money from southern planters. If the south said "ok, we will pay higher taxes on exported cotton indefinitely", I don't think the war would have happened when it did.
Posted by Hardy_Har
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:42 pm to
$$$$$ under the guise of slavery. Similar to the way ISIS uses Islam.
Posted by stevengtiger
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:43 pm to
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Equally irking are the scores of folks (usually southerners) who jump through so many mental hoops to try to convince folks that slavery really had nothing to do with the war at all.


I agree with this as well. Slavery definitely was one of the several reasons the war took place. If it wouldn't have started in 1861, the country would have not tolerated slavery much longer anyways.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:43 pm to
A very nice crash course history video on slavery. 14minutes.

SLAVERY

CIVIL WAR
This post was edited on 2/12/15 at 4:50 pm
Posted by JordonfortheJ
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:45 pm to
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What bugs me is that people seem to have the belief today that the north fought the war out of some noble belief that slaves should be free

Of course, but only people who think the civil war was only to ban slavery would think that.
This post was edited on 2/12/15 at 4:47 pm
Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:49 pm to
Slavery was one of the major factors.

Also, this...

Posted by JordonfortheJ
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:50 pm to
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States like which.


Pretty much those who seceded and flexed their state rights muscles
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:58 pm to
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Pretty much those who seceded and flexed their state rights muscles


So it's a coincidence that all those states were in the South?
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:01 pm to
This video may have been the best for discussion

CIVIL WAR PART II
Posted by PikeBishop
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:04 pm to
Of course, we can always read what the participants thought about it. Check out this speech by Confederate statesman and Vice President Alexander Stephens. Called The Cornerstone Speech, he is pretty up front about slavery's central role in the Confederacy. That's why it's called The Cornerstone Speech.

LINK /
Posted by Agforlife
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:05 pm to
If the textile mills had been in the south the war would've started much later and then probably would have been all about slavery, but they weren't and the war wasn't.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:07 pm to
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If the textile mills had been in the south


Why didn't they build any textile mills in the South?
Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:11 pm to
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If it wouldn't have started in 1861, the country would have not tolerated slavery much longer anyways.



Disagree. It would have led to a war eventually. Just look at how long Jim Crow laws lasted in the South. The Southern states just weren't going to up and free all the slaves and treat them as equal citizens. Plessy vs. Ferguson was in 1896, well after the Civil War and basically allowed the South to operate under a quasi slavery system well into the next century.
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