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re: Spurrier Unlocked: Saban is a Great Recruiter, Not a Great Coach
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:57 pm to Honcho C McGregor
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:57 pm to Honcho C McGregor
CSS is a coaching legend. I personally believe all the chatter this year is because he knows if his O-line stays healthy this team "might be the team". He is setting up both Bama and Auburn using the same tactic in different ways.
"Gus is a genius…"
"Saban is overrated..."
I believe CSS believes the Auburn game will be the difference between his team playing in Atlanta and not…I also believe CSS believes if they make it to Atlanta they will play Alabama.
Historically CSS has almost always come up short. Several of those Florida teams were better than their final record. His one National Title came after a final week loss to FSU and he got the original rematch. To his credit the Sugar Bowl game plan was ingenious, but he shouldn't have gotten the second shot. The 2011 Auburn game was a wonderful example of how he gets in his own way.
"Gus is a genius…"
"Saban is overrated..."
I believe CSS believes the Auburn game will be the difference between his team playing in Atlanta and not…I also believe CSS believes if they make it to Atlanta they will play Alabama.
Historically CSS has almost always come up short. Several of those Florida teams were better than their final record. His one National Title came after a final week loss to FSU and he got the original rematch. To his credit the Sugar Bowl game plan was ingenious, but he shouldn't have gotten the second shot. The 2011 Auburn game was a wonderful example of how he gets in his own way.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:04 pm to undecided
After watching Saban and Miles at LSU I'll say this: I actually think Miles is better at preparing his teams for the everyday game. Saban has out coached Miles one time (we all know what game that was). I'll give Saban a slight edge in recruiting. Saban, Spurrier, and Miles are all good to great coaches. I think Malzahn will become one (just hasn't had enough time yet).
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:17 pm to Tigerman97
quote:I completely agree. The man is a great coach for sure, but you are right in saying his teams underachieved. I feel like he wouldn't get anywhere near the credit he does if he didn't make so many quips.
CSS is a coaching legend. I personally believe all the chatter this year is because he knows if his O-line stays healthy this team "might be the team". He is setting up both Bama and Auburn using the same tactic in different ways.
"Gus is a genius…"
"Saban is overrated..."
I believe CSS believes the Auburn game will be the difference between his team playing in Atlanta and not…I also believe CSS believes if they make it to Atlanta they will play Alabama.
Historically CSS has almost always come up short. Several of those Florida teams were better than their final record. His one National Title came after a final week loss to FSU and he got the original rematch. To his credit the Sugar Bowl game plan was ingenious, but he shouldn't have gotten the second shot. The 2011 Auburn game was a wonderful example of how he gets in his own way.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:35 pm to tiderider
It's amusing to see so many dimwits arguing against Coach Saban's greatness.
In 3 NC games at Alabama he's handily beaten 3 otherwise undefeated teams. Prior to playing the Tide, they were a combined 38-0, yet Bama beat them all by double digits.
Let's face it, if he were the coach of ANY of your teams, you'd all be singing his praises far and wide.
Call it jealousy or call it hypocrisy, or both, either way it doesn't say much about your intelligence.
In 3 NC games at Alabama he's handily beaten 3 otherwise undefeated teams. Prior to playing the Tide, they were a combined 38-0, yet Bama beat them all by double digits.
Let's face it, if he were the coach of ANY of your teams, you'd all be singing his praises far and wide.
Call it jealousy or call it hypocrisy, or both, either way it doesn't say much about your intelligence.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:38 pm to kudzoo
The REC is the master of recruiting. Without the REC network and millions in slush money every year Satan would not be nearly as good.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:52 pm to TutHillTiger
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The REC is the master of recruiting. Without the REC network and millions in slush money every year Satan would not be nearly as go
Sure your not an ITAT tiger fan Tut? Must be hanging out with all the mobilian Au fans.
You got an "Satan" and "REC Cheats" dig in on the same post. Quality.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:57 pm to ChEgrad
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After watching Saban and Miles at LSU I'll say this: I actually think Miles is better at preparing his teams for the everyday game. Saban has out coached Miles one time (we all know what game that was).
Bama has won 5 of the past 7 games vs LSu and is in 3 game win Streak. But yeah, Les is the better coach. :(
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:21 am to spacewrangler
Just pissed LSU (in Louisiana a state known for corruption and bribery), is getting out bid by damn gumps.
Come on Tigers, cheat more bitch less.
Come on Tigers, cheat more bitch less.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:03 am to Jon Ham
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10-10 bowl record
1-2 against Houston Nutt's Arkansas teams.
9 seasons at USC, has seen 1 conference championship game and got blown out. Not 1 BCS game appearance. A handful of these years it wasn't like UT, UF, and UGA were the dominant programs they could be.
As Florida's coach in the 90's he dominated, but Florida is the most talent rich state and at the time the SEC was SEC "light," not the powerhouse SEC we've seen the last decade. What he did in the 90's deserves respect and a place in history, but should be just one aspect of the coach Spurrier is.
He's a great coach, just not the "genius" or near the top of "greatest coaches" as some like to believe.
He's had 9 years to build USC, yet the results have yet to earn him anywhere near the reputation he built at Florida. While he has built the program and maintained it, he has proven himself to simply be a top coach in today's game, not the legendary genius. Last year he got beat by a depleted UT team under first year coach Butch Jones. He got taken to the woodshed in 2012 by second year head coach Will Muschamp. A "genius" like Spurrier in his 8th or 9th year at a program should not be beat by the likes of these coaches in their first or second year if he is the "genius" people like to believe he is.
In 2011, where USC finished 11-2 (which they seem to be doing every year), he beat up on a weak East but got smoked by a good Arkansas team and got beat at home by a mediocre Auburn team - showing that if he had been coaching in the West these years he wouldn't seen as many double digit win totals. Pretty sure he has a losing record against Arkansas since taking the USC job, and Arkansas is admittedly the definition of a middle of the pack SEC West team.
I get that USC is not a traditional powerhouse program, but after 4 years of being under one of the "greatest coaches ever," and while being located in a nice recruiting area, that "excuse" should not be given much weight.
Saban is a level or two above Spurrier in terms of overall head coaching ability, and it's not close.
And there's no way 62-24 would've happened to Saban.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:25 am to Monticello
So you are saying that if Spurrier worked as hard as Saban he could sign the amount of elite talent as Bama does? Then Spurrier or Saban could actually do the same at Arkansas State. If hard work is all it takes. bullshite.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:13 am to TutHillTiger
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Just pissed LSU (in Louisiana a state known for corruption and bribery), is getting out bid by damn gumps.
Come on Tigers, cheat more bitch less
Well Almighty then, carry on my purple and gold friend.
Did you participate in the ADSFR?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:32 am to undecided
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When you think about the 2010 Iron Bowl, 2011 Bama vs LSU, and 2013 Iron Bowl, all three games exemplify when Saban was unable to out-talent the opponent andquote:When Saban is unable to out-talent opponents, does he fall apart?
his coaching abilities failed to close out the game.
So you choose 3 games out of the mans career to question his coaching abilities? Im not buying this nonsense that Saban is only good cause he can recruit. Ogregon can recruit his butt off, but you dont see teams busting down the door to hire him as a HC.
Did not Saban and his "coaching abilities" close out the following games:
2012 SEC Title Game
2012 LSU
2008 LSU
2013 TAMU
Werent those teams on par as far as talent with Bama at the time?
You win close game and you lose them
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:56 am to undecided
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Coaches and teams that are intimidated by the Bama mystique will get destroyed but if you play Bama mano y mano you'll win everytime. They're essentially bullies who crumble when someone stands up to them
What a bunch of BS...
2009 TSIO
2009 Iron Bowl
2009 vs. LSU
2009 BCSCG
2010 vs. Arkansas
2011 BCSCG
2012 vs. LSU
2012 SECCG
2013 vs. Texas A&M
Stand up to 'em and win everytime? I think not...and those are games just off the top of my head...none of those teams were intimidated by us and we didn't crumble in those...
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Spurrier Unlocked: Saban is a Great Recruiter, Not a Great Coach
As for Saban, it doesn't matter what anyone on here thinks, me included...you can argue all day long...but after he retires, even if he doesn't win another championship, he'll still be inducted in the College Football Hall of Fame and he'll still go down in history as one of the best of all time. In the poll era, he has 4 national championships (ranking him behind only Bear Bryant and Bernie Bierman, I think)...only coach to get consensus national championships at 2 different schools...and I think, along with the Bear, only the second coach to win an SEC championship at 2 different schools. Great recruiter/not a great coach? Doesn't matter in the long run...
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 9:57 am
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:33 am to OldPete
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As for Saban, it doesn't matter what anyone on here thinks,
It's just something you'll have to accept -- people have this desperate, ridiculous need to cherry-pick and over-interpret facts to fit their agenda. There is literally no college football coach in the country that has experienced the level of success Saban has, and all the attempts to undercut his achievements by claiming lack of absolute perfection somehow equals serious flaws just makes these people sound really, really stupid and petty. If their coach had Saban's win record and national titles, they'd be so far over the moon they'd be crapping asteroids. But their coach doesn't, and it's inarguable, so all that's left is to say that Saban lost a game (OMG, the horror!) and thus must be inferior to their coach who...er, lost two or three games over the same time period.
I mean, seriously, if your best evidence of Saban's supposed inferiority is that, over the space of 3 seasons, he lost a game to a high-ranked opponent by 3 points, and another game to a high-ranked oppoentby a literal last second touchdown, and another game to a high-ranked by 5 points...you've fricking lost any perspective. And talking about Saban as if he's the only coach that has talent? Seriously? People are arguing that LSU and Auburn aren't abso-fricking-lutely stacked with talent themselves?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:38 am to spacewrangler
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Bama has won 5 of the past 7 games vs LSu and is in 3 game win Streak. But yeah, Les is the better coach. :(
can you read mr strawman? that's not what he said. he said les has only been out-coached in those games once, which is arguably true. he didn't say les is a better coach
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:00 pm to tungi01
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Also we lost those last two games last year because of defense.
Wrong! Alabama lost those two games because of their offense. Oklahoma scored 21 points off of AJ's 3 turnovers, and the team had 1 more when they were close to scoring. Alabama's only score of the 2nd half of the Iron Bowl was an underthrown 99 yard touchdown pass. Alabama struggled offensively for 3 quarters; don't let the total yardage fool you.
On that note, Alabama's offensive failures are usually overlooked when people discuss Alabama's losses. People tend to focus on the defense sense Saban is a defensive coach, but the offense oftentimes is just as much to blame.
2012 Texas A&M: 3 turnovers and didn't discover the deep ball until it was too late. AJ underthrew two deep balls that allowed Aggie defenders to catch up and prevent touchdowns. Alabama struggled running the ball.
2011 LSU: The offense couldn't do much. 1 turnover set up an LSU field goal, and the other one took Alabama out of potentially great scoring position. The offense couldn't advance the ball deep enough to give their struggling field goal kickers a better shot at making a kick.
2010: The offense didn't do squat in the second half of the Iron Bowl. The offense didn't have a great showing versus LSU; the last touchdown was garbage points. Alabama couldn't run the ball versus South Carolina, and being unable to run effectively was a common theme of Alabama's 3 losses that season.
Do you get the picture? It is a common misconception that Saban's defensive philosophy is in need of an overhaul; in actuality, the defense kept the score manageable in several of Alabama's losses, yet the offense couldn't get the job done.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:06 pm to bmy
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LSU should have absolutely just beaten the breaks off his 2012 squad.
Have y'all ever stopped to consider that Alabama averaged 6.6 yards per carry? Mettenberger was picking Alabama apart while Lacy and Yeldon were finding good openings in the LSU rush defense. Alabama only rushed the ball 25 times; therein lies the problem. 2012 Alabama had a very physical O-line that was great at run-blocking, but the offense didn't play to its strengths versus LSU and almost lost. Even if LSU had defeated Alabama, there's no guarantee that your team would have defeated Georgia.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:17 pm to ChEgrad
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I actually think Miles is better at preparing his teams for the everyday game.
What do you mean? From my interpretation, you are wrong. LSU plays down to the competition and regularly struggles with teams that are significantly less talented. Yes, LSU is Arkansas and Ole Miss' Super Bowl, but that doesn't excuse the fact that LSU struggles against them despite having a better program and better recruits. Tennessee is Alabama's Arkansas; both Tennessee and Arkansas are down yet observe the difference in the results of these rivalries the past 7 years .
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:21 pm to undecided
Has this been 11 pages of discussion or poo throwing?
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