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re: "Christians didn't invent marriage. Why do they think they can define it."
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:24 am to CJM18
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:24 am to CJM18
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the great commission
Why do Christians assume these instructions are timeless and not just for that particular group of followers?
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:28 am to sorantable
There's sharing your faith and there's forcing it by laws.
A good Christian should actively try and show people the light. It's why any time a Christian comes to my door to tell me about their faith I'll have a conversation with them. Many are shocked when I tell them I'm an atheist after about 15 minutes in. It's at that point I thank them, because you really believe I'm doomed to an eternity in Hell it is an act of compassion to try and save me from it.
A good Christian should actively try and show people the light. It's why any time a Christian comes to my door to tell me about their faith I'll have a conversation with them. Many are shocked when I tell them I'm an atheist after about 15 minutes in. It's at that point I thank them, because you really believe I'm doomed to an eternity in Hell it is an act of compassion to try and save me from it.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:35 am to sorantable
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Why do Christians assume these instructions are timeless and not just for that particular group of followers?
Why would we assume otherwise?
If you truly believe that people's eternity is at stake, how can you keep quiet?
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 11:37 am
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:40 am to CJM18
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If you truly believe that people's eternity is at stake, how can you keep quiet?
Jesus says to "make disciples." That's how. Nowhere in scripture will you find a call to "evangelize" the way Protestants attempt to.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:43 am to sorantable
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Jesus says to "make disciples." That's how. Nowhere in scripture will you find a call to "evangelize" the way Protestants attempt to.
How does one make disciples without a proclamation of the Gospel?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:44 am to sorantable
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Jesus says to "make disciples." That's how. Nowhere in scripture will you find a call to "evangelize" the way Protestants attempt to.
What does make disciples mean to you?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:45 am to Duke
quote:Except they don't oppose birth control. Their healthcare plans covered many of forms of birth control.
I think the opposition to birth control is ridiculous and stupid.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:46 am to the808bass
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How does one make disciples without a proclamation of the Gospel?
Making disciples is a personal undertaking that takes time and relationship. You can't shout someone into discipleship. You live your life in such a way that you are honoring God and he will give you opportunities to minister.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:49 am to KSGamecock
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Didn't Jesus say not to get in people's faces with your religion and to keep it in your home (Matthew 6:5-6)? I also think I remember something about politics and not being interested in it...a bit about Caesar and a coin...maybe I'm crazy.
You're not crazy. But I'd say your reading of Matthew 6:5-6 is incorrect in that it doesn't say that the proper sphere of religion is limited to the private life. He was excoriating the public display of worship for the sake of being noticed as prideful and self-righteous. If he only taught in private and prayed in private, there would have been no need for his crucifixion as he would have posed no threat to the Romans or Jewish religious authorities.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 11:50 am
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:50 am to the808bass
Then enlighten me on the issue. Is the argument they don't want to be forced to even though they do?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:50 am to sorantable
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Making disciples is a personal undertaking that takes time and relationship. You can't shout someone into discipleship. You live your life in such a way that you are honoring God and he will give you opportunities to minister.
Agreed.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:51 am to Duke
There are certain forms of contraception which they view as abortifacients (or at least potential abortifacients). Those are the ones they don't want to cover. I'm not sure the scientific basis for that claim is sound, but that's their argument.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:51 am to sorantable
Oh no, please don't advise that strategy - it's the worst. I'd much rather have someone come to my door and shove a bible in my face than what you're recommending. I say that because it seems like some Christians will find non-Christians and try to become "friends" on a secular basis before slowly and subtly pushing Christianity...except it's never slow or subtle and they're always really shitty "friends".
I've had a few of these covert attempts made on me, the worst was a coworker inviting me over to watch a football game and it turning in to three hours of Jesus fest. It was terrible.
It must be how an attractive woman feels after awkwardly turning down a man that has tried to become "friends" with intentions of much more.
I've had a few of these covert attempts made on me, the worst was a coworker inviting me over to watch a football game and it turning in to three hours of Jesus fest. It was terrible.
It must be how an attractive woman feels after awkwardly turning down a man that has tried to become "friends" with intentions of much more.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 11:58 am
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:52 am to Duke
quote:I don't see why this should be a discuss within the topic of marriage, so I'd prefer if a new topic was started.
What are your views on welfare?
But, I believe that welfare should be done first and foremost by the Churches and non-profits that want to assist people of their own accord.
If you're referring to the government's role in it, I think the focus should be on incentivizing the private sector (including religious institutions) to continue to support such initiatives.
Where any gaps exist, the government's first priority should be on help those in need get out of their bad situations by partnering with groups that are more efficient in such things (like job fairs or providing job skills and training, life skills, and even counseling).
I don't believe the government should be in the business of giving unqualified handouts, but "welfare" is more of a tricky subject since it includes all kinds of personal assistance from money or food stamps to child care, so it's difficult to discuss "welfare" as a whole in terms of roles and responsibilities between the private and public sectors.
A problem I see with making welfare forced (by the government through taxation) is that it removes incentive for others to give in addition to their tax dollars and leads to people feeling cold to the homeless or downtrodden by giving them an excuse to not help others. They can simply point them to the local welfare office. Because people don't see the direct affect their taxes have on welfare, they may not personalize it and know the good that it does for those in need.
In summation: I believe that the government should have a secondary role in providing welfare benefits directly to individuals, and what benefits they do provide should be done through partnerships with the private sector as often as possible. There should also be more controls in place to reduce waste and prevent people from taking advantage of the system.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:53 am to sorantable
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Making disciples is a personal undertaking that takes time and relationship.
So when Paul preached at Mars Hill, how many of those thousands did he have a personal relationship with?
I largely agree with your point. But the public proclamation of the Gospel, even in large settings, has Scriptural support. And cannot simply be excluded from our lives because it's socially awkward.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:54 am to sorantable
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"Christians didn't invent marriage. Why do they think they can define it."
Christians define marriage in their religion and they can define it however they want, no idiot in government is going to change any Christian beliefs...we believe what our scripture says and our scripture won't be re-written to fit everyone's choice of lifestyles.
Are you a Christian?
"fully" eh?.....you don't say
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:54 am to the808bass
My perspective doesn't change. I'm not sure I agree with their analysis but they have the right to do it.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:57 am to Duke
And I appreciate your stance. Just wanted to clarify.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:59 am to Duke
quote:how often has this happened? the only time i hear about this is when i decide to frick with my friends and send mormons to them
It's why any time a Christian comes to my door to tell me about their faith I'll have a conversation with them
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:00 pm to FooManChoo
It's worth a discussion another time.
I was digging to see your logic on the role of religious views you wanted the government to do. You delivered a well thought out and mostly reasonable answer. I just wanted to understand your perspective better.
I was digging to see your logic on the role of religious views you wanted the government to do. You delivered a well thought out and mostly reasonable answer. I just wanted to understand your perspective better.
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