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re: What do people get out of going to church on Easter once a year?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 11:38 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 4/21/14 at 11:38 am to Roger Klarvin
See that's the key difference. I don't view it as hoops to jump through. Really all that's required to be saved is to admit you're flawed, accept jesus and love him and others. Because I love jesus I don't enjoy doing things I liked before. I don't like getting drunk sleeping around cursing etc.
And FWIW hell is actually painful. I'm sure the lake of fire isn't comfortable. The bible gives the example of non stop torment. And again what you're saying is you'd rather live in this world than paradise. That makes no sense. That's like saying I'll stay in Antarctica and freeze instead of going to the Bahamas for free. But it really is true when your heart is changed, you won't enjoy sinful things. And I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. I can honestly say I've lived on both sides of salvation and I am much happier and enjoy life more since leaving those old things behind.
And FWIW hell is actually painful. I'm sure the lake of fire isn't comfortable. The bible gives the example of non stop torment. And again what you're saying is you'd rather live in this world than paradise. That makes no sense. That's like saying I'll stay in Antarctica and freeze instead of going to the Bahamas for free. But it really is true when your heart is changed, you won't enjoy sinful things. And I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. I can honestly say I've lived on both sides of salvation and I am much happier and enjoy life more since leaving those old things behind.
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 11:41 am to Mattwells90
And I don't have faith because I fear going to hell. That's like saying you're a good husband because Youre afraid of getting a divorce rather than being a good husband simply because you love your wife.
Same with jesus. I don't follow him because I'm afraid of hell. I follow him because I love him
Same with jesus. I don't follow him because I'm afraid of hell. I follow him because I love him
Posted on 4/21/14 at 11:44 am to Mattwells90
But belief isnt a conscious choice. I can choose to SAY I believe, but to actually believe it in my head is something that I cannot willfully choose to do anymore so than I could choose to believe the sun rotates around the earth.
The entire premise of christianity is that one can simply choose to admit they are a sinner, believe in Jesus for salvation and repent. This is not something one can just force themselves to do, you either believe it or you dont.
And like I said, the devil you know over the devil you dont. I have no concept of eternity or paradise and worshipping a being I dont even believe in for eternity sounds pretty meh. Sure there is suffering in this world, but a lot of joy too. The idea of perfection honestly sounds pretty boring, for without pain it is impossible to know joy. The reason we enjoy certains things so much is because of the bad times we have.
The entire premise of christianity is that one can simply choose to admit they are a sinner, believe in Jesus for salvation and repent. This is not something one can just force themselves to do, you either believe it or you dont.
And like I said, the devil you know over the devil you dont. I have no concept of eternity or paradise and worshipping a being I dont even believe in for eternity sounds pretty meh. Sure there is suffering in this world, but a lot of joy too. The idea of perfection honestly sounds pretty boring, for without pain it is impossible to know joy. The reason we enjoy certains things so much is because of the bad times we have.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 11:47 am
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