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re: So. It seems there will be a College Players Union coming into fruition
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:32 pm to joeytiger
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:32 pm to joeytiger
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I think they should have clubs similar to the minor league in baseball, but for football. That way a high school kid has the option to go the minor league route, or the college route. This would solve the problem, no?
This is not financially viable
First of all its more expensive to run a football team than a baseball team
Most minor league baseball teams are in smaller towns that can't support a pro team. Minor league teams aren't very expensive to run and even then most lose money, and wouldn't exist without their affiliates propping them up.
Now apply this to a minor league football team with only 6-8 home games to get revenue from.
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:33 pm to Cheese Grits
This is all so incredibly stupid. Hopefully there is someone with a brain in the appeals court that shoots this down.
Bunch of scrubs from Northwestern trying to bring down the greatest sport in the world.
Bunch of scrubs from Northwestern trying to bring down the greatest sport in the world.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:34 pm to Prof
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Vanderbilt is a private school. It would effect the SEC.
The private schools affect their conferences more that most people imagine. Each major conference has at least 1 private school so the conference as a whole can avoid "sunshine" laws. If say Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Stanford, Southern California, Baylor, and TCU were to drop out of their respective conferences then it would immediately subject all the conferences to the open records laws.
Ponder that for a moment.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:35 pm to Cheese Grits
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Folks forget the University of Chicago once had the best football team in the B1G - Alonzo Stagg coached there and the Chicago Bears copied their logo - but the president shut it down. Opened up schools like Ohio State to prosper in the B1G in their absence.
Since the B1G schools only get a nickel or dime relative to the dollar or 2 of research money, I can see the bottom schools or the lesser private schools (Notre Dame / Stanford types excepted) closing the doors.
And Northwestern very much envies the status of the University of Chicago which is up there with the true ivies in many fields. In fact, U Chicago is often included on the list of Ivies despite not being formally associated and it's one of the better schools in that rarefied air.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:46 pm to joeytiger
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I think they should have clubs similar to the minor league in baseball, but for football. That way a high school kid has the option to go the minor league route, or the college route. This would solve the problem, no?
I meant sports at colleges would become club sports - raise your own money, find your own coach, don't get to compete under the conference or NCAA banner. Clubs sports at colleges are just a tad bit higher than intramural sports at colleges in that club sports are more organized and compete with other college's clubs.
As for football having a farm league... I think that's the NFL's problem and I don't think it will ever be a better option for a player than CFB. Colleges and universities invest millions in coaches, equipment, sports medicine, player development etc. and they do so whether you're currently performing or not (it does take a lot not get your scholly renewed). A farm league is either gonna be like the minors, low pay, lousy equipment, lower rated coaching, and you better perform or get cut OR it will take the form of you have to pay to be in this league, buy your own equipment, buy you gym membership, and pay your coach (that is the way it's done in Germany - we have a freshman who came from there and it's an all pay system that is undermanned with a lot of coaches doing it for the love of the game but it doesn't prepare you for the Pros).
I like the idea of a farm league but who is going to pay for it? I also don't think it would be anything close the value, coaching, and preparation a student-athlete receives at a D1 school. An SEC player is pro-ready whether he has the talent or not is irrelevant -- coaching, training, experience, etc. wise he's prepared. The same just won't be true for a D-league.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:48 pm to Prof
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Northwestern very much envies the status of the University of Chicago which is up there with the true ivies in many fields. In fact, U Chicago is often included on the list of Ivies despite not being formally associated and it's one of the better schools in that rarefied air.
Take it a step further and look at the public schools that function like Ivies
Michigan
Virginia
Cal
imagine if they got out of the college sports business. I think Michigan may have the largest endowment of the publics in the north east corridor. UVA could drop sports all together and not miss a beat. Schools like Minnesota with no market leaders in the primary sports could say they are getting out. Just look at the richest public school systems and think who have money making sports programs (total sports, and not just football)
# 1 Texas 17 billion
# 2 Michigan 8 billion
# 3 Texas A&M 7 billion
# 4 California 6.5 billion
# 5 Virginia 5 billion
# 6 Pittsburgh 2.5 billion
# 6 Minnesota 2.5 billion
# 8 North Carolina 2.3 billion
# 9 Washington 2 billion
#10 Ohio State 2 billion
#11 Wisconsin 2 billion
#12 Penn State 2 billion
#13 Georgia Tech 1.5 billion
Imagine if the schools in Bold pulled out of college sports?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:53 pm to Prof
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I like the idea of a farm league but who is going to pay for it? I also don't think it would be anything close the value, coaching, and preparation a student-athlete receives at a D1 school. An SEC player is pro-ready whether he has the talent or not is irrelevant -- coaching, training, experience, etc. wise he's prepared. The same just won't be true for a D-league.
That's why these kids who do not value an education and the current state of college athletics can go to the farm league and take their chances. I do agree though, that the NFL should run the farm league.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:54 pm to CatFan81
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That will be the end of college football as we know it.
With the greatest respect...you are a Kentucky fan. How would you know?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:56 pm to Alahunter
This is going to force the NCAA's hand.
They're gonna start paying D1-A football and basketball players but call it something else.
They're gonna attempt to appease them with minor goodies to try to avoid this getting bigger.
They're gonna start paying D1-A football and basketball players but call it something else.
They're gonna attempt to appease them with minor goodies to try to avoid this getting bigger.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:59 pm to LSUnation78
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Wasn't it Grambling that had its players protest and they ended up not playing one of their games last season?
If there ever was a scenario where unionization of collegiate athletics was needed it is the Grambling case study for what is wrong with NCAA athletics.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:00 pm to Alahunter
I don't think college players should get paid. I think they should get a free ride, free books, free dorms, free medical, and free meal plans on campus. The industry exists only because of the amateur status.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:03 pm to IAmReality
Okay, the entire problem is that you can't just pay football and basketball players.
On another note, who would've thought Northwestern would one day be the most universally hated CFB program?
On another note, who would've thought Northwestern would one day be the most universally hated CFB program?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:05 pm to TeLeFaWx
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don't think college players should get paid. I think they should get a free ride, free books, free dorms, free medical, and free meal plans on campus. The industry exists only because of the amateur status.
And be damned to the kids who suffer life altering injuries on the football field. Their life long hospital bills will continue to be their success. Come on? I don't have a problem with providing these players with health care coverage.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:07 pm to ihometiger
That's not the issue here. It's the slippery slope we get into with declaring college athletes employees. I'm sure everyone here wants a way that former student athletes can receive healthcare and just compensation. This just IS NOT the way to do it
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:11 pm to ihometiger
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And be damned to the kids who suffer life altering injuries on the football field. Their life long hospital bills will continue to be their success.
Red herring used to bait the "pay the players" mantra.
This could easily be solved by mandatory insurance of the players by the schools and paid / administered by the NCAA. Keep your eye on the difference between things that can not be split off as cash to unions, agents, and lawyers (scholarships, insurance, and allowances - food, books, and the like) and things with a cash value that others can profit from (money, endorsements, goods, and the like)
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:14 pm to Alahunter
This will kill the game.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:22 pm to LSU Patrick
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This will kill the game.
If the game is killed, this will just be the final straw. The past 2 decades of greed and lack of protecting the fans will have killed the game long ago.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:24 pm to Cheese Grits
I don't see how any other NCAA teams could play a game against NW. They would be a semi-pro team. Thus changing the amateur status of all players involved in the game.
It would seem the easiest way for the NCAA to address the issue is not allow any of it's member institutions to play a semi-pro team or teams that pay it's players.
It would seem the easiest way for the NCAA to address the issue is not allow any of it's member institutions to play a semi-pro team or teams that pay it's players.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:26 pm to ihometiger
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And be damned to the kids who suffer life altering injuries on the football field. Their life long hospital bills will continue to be their success. Come on? I don't have a problem with providing these players with health care coverage.
I was a walk on and suffered 3 concussions on scout team that still affect me somewhat and a nasty back injury I still need surgery for.
You don't see me beating a drum saying the university I played for should compensate me.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:26 pm to NbamaTiger90
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It would seem the easiest way for the NCAA to address the issue is not allow any of it's member institutions to play a semi-pro team or teams that pay it's players.
And any player that joins or tries to organize a union is ruled ineligible and has their scholarship revoked.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 4:27 pm
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