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re: Lsu AD - other SEC AD's aren't being fair.

Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:25 pm to
Posted by Master of Sinanju
Member since Feb 2012
11371 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:25 pm to
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 I don't see why everyone can't agree that the division record should be at least the first tie-breaker


I thought it was?
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90739 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:26 pm to
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Now there is no consistancy and again I have no idea when LSU will play Missouri.


It's only been expanded for 2 yrs. Hardly any length of time to make definitive statements that it won't be worked out.

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I have no problem with going to 9 games


Unfortunately, your AD does.

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No one besides the fans of those teams care about those games.


Yet, Lsu's Ad is in a very small minority in wanting to eliminate them.

It would seem, that nobody cares that Lsu wants to adjust the conference to their benefit.
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35654 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:26 pm to
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That's the nature of college ball. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.


So that means it's not worth trying something new? Status-quo foreva!!

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Like when Tenn was killing it in the late 90's?


1999, a year that worked out for Bama saw them go to the Swamp and get Tennessee. It was good that State was the only competition for the West crown that year. I don't like that the schedule makers can make or break champions. It's hardly an unreasonable position.

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Traditional rivalries set college ball apart. I would seriously lose some interest, if traditional rivalries are lost.


Enough to stop watching? I doubt it.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:29 pm to
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Yet, Lsu's Ad is in a very small minority in wanting to eliminate them.


I doubt that. He's just one of few people in the SEC not scared of uat.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90739 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:29 pm to
I don't live and breathe football.

I've not watched it some seasons before. If traditional rivalries were lost, it would be harmful to college ball, imo. I think it hurt when Nebraska moved to the B1G, I think the Longhorns and Aggies not playing hurts it. It's not the pros.
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:30 pm to
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Nonsense. I have no idea when LSU is going to play Missouri for instance. Now that there are 14 teams, games with SC,Ga and Tenn will be more sporadic.


Only 6 of them matter. You can predict pretty easily when you'll play one of the other 6 SEC-W teams...every single year. You can predict when you'll play your permanent opponent...every single year. That's 7, and you can't play yourself, so that's 8. Subtract that from 14 and that leaves 6 teams on the annual rotation. After the bridge schedule is done, you should be able to predict, with basic math, when you'll play each of the 6 SEC teams you don't normally play every year. They're not going to be randomly generated.
This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 2:33 pm
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36149 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:30 pm to
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Alabama is eventually going to be on the wrong end of it


Like when Tenn was killing it in the late 90's?



[Head explodes]

Who were they at a competitive disadvantage to? Florida was better than Tennessee. Most of the Western division was very down at the end of the 90s - MSU was arguably the most accomplished team from the west for a two year stretch. Auburn won 8 games combined between 98 and 99. LSU won SEVEN games combined between 98 and 99. That is terrible.

What would be wrong with just counting division games for the respective division championships? That would render the out of division rotation debates mostly moot and make competition within the division pretty equitable
Posted by MetryTyger
Metro NOLA, LA
Member since Jan 2004
15608 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:31 pm to
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Draconian Sanctions
Lsu AD - other SEC AD's aren't being fair.


Alleva is fighting the good fight, but he's finally realizing that certain schools don't care about completive balance. he's correct that it's a shortsighted position for them to take but there's only so much you can do when dealing with ignorance.




Or when dealing with SEC and NCAA officials lining up to kneel before saban with their mouths open.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90739 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:31 pm to
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He's just one of few people in the SEC not scared of uat.


Believe it or not, UA doesn't have powers like the Russian mafia, nor does it dictate everything in the SEC.
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35654 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:31 pm to
Nah. You have to think AM, Ole miss, vandy, Kentucky, and Miss State are happy with theirs. Then you have four schools in the traditional Matchups who don't want it to change. 9 of 14 right there.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:31 pm to
And nothing is keeping Texas A&M and Texas from playing one another as OOC game except their own stubbornness.
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15418 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:31 pm to
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Alleva is fighting the good fight, but he's finally realizing that certain schools don't care about completive balance. he's correct that it's a shortsighted position for them to take but there's only so much you can do when dealing with ignorance.


I'll believe Alleva cares about competitive balance when he addresses the fact that LSU doesn't have an in state BCS school to compete with for recruits.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84927 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:31 pm to
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It's not the pros


yeah it basically is at this point.

the sooner you realize that the better off you will be.


oh and opposing competitive balance is a completely ludicrous position to take.
Posted by Othello
the Neptonian Steel Mines
Member since Aug 2013
22958 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:32 pm to
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All LSU, all the time



It's an LSU site as you all love to remind us.
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15418 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:32 pm to
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Or when dealing with SEC and NCAA officials lining up to kneel before saban with their mouths open.


Still won't answer my questions will you
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:32 pm to
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I'll believe Alleva cares about competitive balance when he addresses the fact that LSU doesn't have an in state BCS school to compete with for recruits.


Alleva has no authority to create additional BCS schools in Louisiana

If you want to add Tulane back to the SEC, be my guest
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90739 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:33 pm to
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What would be wrong with just counting division games for the respective division championships? That would render the out of division rotation debates mostly moot and make competition within the division pretty equitable


Why not just have 20, seven or eight team conferences then? Or just man up and win the games.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36149 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:33 pm to
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 I don't see why everyone can't agree that the division record should be at least the first tie-breaker


I thought it was?




Let me clarify.

IMO division record should be used to determine the champion from each division unless there is a two way tie. If two or more teams from the same division have the same record in division play then and only then should SEC results against teams from the opposite division be considered.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84927 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:34 pm to
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Or just man up and win the games.


it's not about our schedule, it's about yours.
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15418 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:34 pm to
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Alleva has no authority to create additional BCS schools in Louisiana

If you want to add Tulane back to the SEC, be my guest


But you don't hear anyone else crying about it. He could limit the number of Louisiana recruits that LSU gets, I mean since he is all for competitive balance and the good of the SEC
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