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Posted on 11/14/13 at 8:14 am to EKG
Posted on 11/14/13 at 8:14 am to EKG
Here is the Heisman Mission Statement:
JFF's integrity is certainly questionable considering his off the field actions and the fact that he's already profited off his celebrity status with the autograph brokers, along with other off-field behavior which is well known and with behavior which is not well known (appetite for nose candy).
Baylor's Brice Petty has a higher QB rating, has thrown for only 1 int all year and has no losses. JFF on the other hand has 2 home losses where his decision making on the field was a major contribution to both losses.
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The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. The Heisman Trophy Trust ensures the continuation and integrity of this award. The Trust, furthermore, has a charitable mission to support amateur athletics and to provide greater opportunities to the youth of our country. Our goal through these charitable endeavors is for the Heisman Trophy to symbolize the fostering of a sense of community responsibility and service to our youth, especially those disadvantaged or afflicted. All assets of the Trust beyond the expense of maintaining the annual presentation of the Heisman Memorial Trophy are reserved for such charitable causes. The Trustees, who all serve pro bono, are guided by a devotion to college football and are committed to community service and the valued tradition which the Trophy represents.
JFF's integrity is certainly questionable considering his off the field actions and the fact that he's already profited off his celebrity status with the autograph brokers, along with other off-field behavior which is well known and with behavior which is not well known (appetite for nose candy).
Baylor's Brice Petty has a higher QB rating, has thrown for only 1 int all year and has no losses. JFF on the other hand has 2 home losses where his decision making on the field was a major contribution to both losses.
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Posted on 11/14/13 at 8:24 am to Big12fan
Oh, look who it is.
To what specific off the field actions are you referring?
To what specific off the field actions are you referring?
Posted on 11/14/13 at 9:28 am to Big12fan
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Baylor's Brice Petty has a higher QB rating, has thrown for only 1 int all year and has no losses.
I think I've seen everything now. A texas fan pumping up a baylor player? WTF is going on? Is this the end times?
Posted on 11/14/13 at 9:43 am to Big12fan
What an indictment on Texas football and the big 12 in general.
As a horn fan, you're on a SEC message board advocating (poorly) for why JFF shouldn't win and why a Baylor QB should. I understand Baylor is basically all the Big 12 has going for it. But at least have some self respect.
As a horn fan, you're on a SEC message board advocating (poorly) for why JFF shouldn't win and why a Baylor QB should. I understand Baylor is basically all the Big 12 has going for it. But at least have some self respect.
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Posted on 11/14/13 at 9:50 am to Big12fan
Bryce Petty? Wake me up when he has better stats than the other all time Baylor great Nick Florence from last year. It is no coincidence that Baylor has had a QB put up huge stats every year since Briles arrived and it isn't because they have all been great QB's (RGIII aside).
Mariota isn't out but he is definitely down and needs Manziel/Winston to stumble now in order to win. All eyes were on him for the big game with Stanford (just as they were Manziel with Bama) and he laid a huge turd. He was very exposed against Stanford and almost got shutout. Folks expect Heisman winners to come up big in big games and that game is likely too big of an albatross for Mariota to overcome and he doesn't have any more games left to play that the nation will be watching.
Manziel needs to win these next 2 or if he loses one he needs to have a Bama like performance if he wants to win. The talking heads seemed to have circled back to him again lately with his stats and seeing some of his latest highlights. It's just hard to deny he is the best player in CFB and that is a big feather in his cap.
Winston is the favorite but this scandal could be the end for him. Rape allegations are going to turn a LOT of voters off even if they are proven untrue (unless it is completely made up). His play has also dropped off since earlier in the season and it is apparent that FSU's defense and RB's are just as key to their winning as Winston. For instance in their last game against Wake FSU destroyed them but Winston was 17/28 for only 159 yards with 2 TD's and a pick. That's less than 10 yards per completion against a horrific Wake team. He still has a few notable games left but it hurts him that UF is a DF right now and he is unlikely to get a decent opponent in the ACC Championship game.
We shall see, still a lot of football left to play.
Mariota isn't out but he is definitely down and needs Manziel/Winston to stumble now in order to win. All eyes were on him for the big game with Stanford (just as they were Manziel with Bama) and he laid a huge turd. He was very exposed against Stanford and almost got shutout. Folks expect Heisman winners to come up big in big games and that game is likely too big of an albatross for Mariota to overcome and he doesn't have any more games left to play that the nation will be watching.
Manziel needs to win these next 2 or if he loses one he needs to have a Bama like performance if he wants to win. The talking heads seemed to have circled back to him again lately with his stats and seeing some of his latest highlights. It's just hard to deny he is the best player in CFB and that is a big feather in his cap.
Winston is the favorite but this scandal could be the end for him. Rape allegations are going to turn a LOT of voters off even if they are proven untrue (unless it is completely made up). His play has also dropped off since earlier in the season and it is apparent that FSU's defense and RB's are just as key to their winning as Winston. For instance in their last game against Wake FSU destroyed them but Winston was 17/28 for only 159 yards with 2 TD's and a pick. That's less than 10 yards per completion against a horrific Wake team. He still has a few notable games left but it hurts him that UF is a DF right now and he is unlikely to get a decent opponent in the ACC Championship game.
We shall see, still a lot of football left to play.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 10:42 am to Big12fan
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JFF's integrity is certainly questionable considering his off the field actions and the fact that he's already profited off his celebrity status with the autograph brokers, along with other off-field behavior which is well known and with behavior which is not well known (appetite for nose candy).
Baylor's Brice Petty has a higher QB rating, has thrown for only 1 int all year and has no losses. JFF on the other hand has 2 home losses where his decision making on the field was a major contribution to both losses.
I think he was cleared by the NCAA about the autographs. Doesn't matter if you agree with their findings or not....he was cleared. Non factor.
As for MOST of the rest of your charges (nose candy) those are just speculation. haven't even heard about them. you don't vote against someone based upon speculation. The other stuff? Manning camp, etc? I don't think that goes to integrity. You can call it work ethic, if you want, but not integrity.
As for the Baylor QBs ratings? All against much inferior competition. Let's see if he holds up against a bit tougher competition over the next 3 weeks or so. Still not LSU or Alabama competition, but better than he has faced.
That said, we can only wait and see if the voters take into account Manziel's actions off the field. he has certainly made a strong case for himself ON the field.
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