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Some perspective by a poster on 247 in regards to Muschamp... Good post.

Posted on 10/14/13 at 1:09 pm
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 10/14/13 at 1:09 pm


Some fans may see things as the sky is falling which is a total overreaction. Muschamp is laying the blue print to success. This is the path Saban's Alabama took to where they are now. Create a culture of defense and a ground game at the onset as the legendary coaches know that these are the keys to success in the game. This means you will be involved in quite a few low scoring, close to the vest contest. Some of those games you will lose early on but all the while creating a mindset where you learn how to win tough games. There's very little gained from 52-3 victories. Over time, you start winning meaningful games with the ground work you have laid. Then you start winning championships and then you start getting big time playmakers on offense. Eventually you are way out in front of everyone else and they don't know how this happened.

To get to all this, you have to endure games like Saturday and vs. Miami along with wayward fans coming on your board talking crap (most of which are fans of teams that will never see any sort of title game). They will have their moments now but it won't be long before they are accusing you of cheating, paying players, etc. because you are beating everyone sideways.

Admire Muschamp staying the course even in the face of some disappointments. He can do so because he has observed this formula at work and the process it takes to get there. By the time he and the Gators have arrived, Saban will be at his end in Bama. Guess who will be taking over.

Check your history, DEFENSE and a GROUND GAME wins championships and opens up everything else. That's when the Amari Coopers start coming.

Take note of the couch potatoes that respond to this post. Screenshot their responses and get ready to have fun down the road shoving it in their faces. Football is a simple game.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 10/14/13 at 1:47 pm to
I told my friends that Muschamp's job would be in jeopardy after the "way" that UF lost the game, only scoring 6 points.

I don't agree with the call for firings right now.

The reality is, the offensive recruiting just hasn't panned out yet. That being said, UF still has a legit shot at the SEC east this year, the defense is good enough and the offense isn't as bad as it looked at times saturday.
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30731 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 2:12 pm to
Only reason I posted this is because people always look to get rid of somebody when times get tough.

The ONLY thing that scares me right now with UF is the terrible depth at OL. We MUST do a better job recruiting OL. The explosive athletes are coming. We have yet to see Muschamp with a legit QB, so it is tough to just want people gone IMO.
Posted by 08Gatorbait
Member since Jul 2013
2316 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 2:54 pm to
That post is not even right.

Saban uses the ground game to establish the deep ball. Notice a difference? Sabans offense is unpredictable, It's uses the run not to win but to establish big play opportunities. We don't. Saban uses match up disadvantages, we have no clue how too.

Sorry. But this team will not be great until pease and Davis are gone. It won't be great until muschamp accepts you can't play not to lose. It won't be great until we take risk because that's what you have to do to win big games.

We run the same style, but we aren't the same type. We are not an offense that exposes weaknesses and exploits them. We don't adapt to the game we force the game to adapt to us, well we try, which obviously won't work. I'm not calling for muschamps head, I think few are.


But if you are so stubborn that you can't see this isn't and won't work...I don't know what to tell you bro.
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 10/14/13 at 2:58 pm to


Now he does... With AJ McCarron. The post isn't talking about current states of the programs. It is talking about a philosophical foundation for the future of the program and what it takes to get there.
Posted by 08Gatorbait
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 10/14/13 at 3:37 pm to
By 2008 bama averaged almost the same passing as rushing a game.

Bama 08 - 30 ppg - 2500 passing 2300 rushing
Bama 09- 32 ppg - 2600 passing 3100 rushing
Bama 2010- 35.7 ppg - 3300 passing 2300 rushing

Sabans offense improved yearly. His passing grew more and more and his teams got better each year because he knows you have to use both pass and run to win the game. We have had three years of muschamp. We havent improved anything. Nothing. This offense is every bit as bad as it was in 2011. Every bit. At some point you have to fix what is broken. Our offense is absolutely broken.

Rushing and defense do win titles. But only when you have the ability to punish teams for stacking the box. It's so easy to defend our offense. As a fan I can sit there and tell you 80 percent of the plays by how we line up. Sabans offense was never, not once, this predictable. When teams thought bama was running and loaded, saban would use that te flat qb roll out to the weak side with a wide out deep and the slot wr coming on a short in route. That play was brilliant. I remember he called it four times vs us in 09 and it always worked. Do you know of any play we have that does something like that? It's a simple formation and play call yet I still remember it because it was impossible to stop. We don't have that...at all. When something works we completely abandon it. First drive vs lsu, we gained almost 25 yards that drive on outside pitches or options. So what do we do? We don't call another one till three possessions later. I mean why do what works, that's just stupid isn't it..something is working we should abandon it for something that isn't like five wide sets and run up the middle for two yards. Oh look, Taylor is beating their defense on the outside. Let's call two delayed runs up the middle when their dts are destroying our guards and center. fricking brilliant. It's almost like the defense is so good at uf, it makes it impossible to field a competent offense because they can't do anything in practice. Maybe our defensive minds are so good, it lowers the confidence of the offensive guy to the point that they dont even try anymore. It's miserable, and It's been five years of bad offensive gameplanning and play calling. How are you not absolutely fed up.
This post was edited on 10/14/13 at 3:49 pm
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30731 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 4:19 pm to
I hear ya.

Two things for you to think about though. Look at our OL and QB situation since Champ got here.

Also, look at what we finally have coming in at the skill positions. Biggest problem going forward is...

1) We don't know Muschamp's involvement in the O. This will be shown if Pease is gone and we run the same crap.
2) Our OL recruiting hasn't really improved. Hard to do anything efficiently on O without a QB and OL.
Posted by jefffan
Florence- Sumter- Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2013
4971 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 4:34 pm to
OL is the centerpiece. Without it we have nothing. I say we need a new OL coach.

Posted by 08Gatorbait
Member since Jul 2013
2316 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 4:40 pm to
It's been three classes. We got two great oline guys two years ago and really nothing else. We are struggling to develop and recruit the main thing needed for this style. Look at this years oline class. It's literally seven three stars. with how poorly we develop oline that means maybe one of these guys will be any good at this point. It's the same as playcalling. We have massive issues and can't seem to fix them.
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30731 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 4:49 pm to
We have 3 OL committed.

Only one I personally like is the kid from the Carolinas.

I am not here to disagree with you fwiw man. I get where you are coming from. Personally, I have a STRONG feeling Muschamp has his thumbprint all over the offense. Pease will be the fall guy though, and then we will see what happens next year. Muschamp will be gone soon thereafter if he doesn't delegate the offense to the OC.
Posted by Edearl Watson
Parts Unknown
Member since May 2012
6782 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 5:29 pm to
Muschamp hasn't had the luxury of an above average QB yet. But some things that happened last Saturday were troublesome. Our O line was exposed by LSU's D line.

5 O linemen were repeatedly asked to block 6 or 7 defenders. And repeatedly they failed. Which is not the problem I'm speaking of. The problem was that we made no adjustments. No backs stayed in to help pass block. No designed roll outs by our mobile QB. It was hard to watch.

And now we've benched our punter.

LINK
This post was edited on 10/14/13 at 5:39 pm
Posted by GatorsGators
Member since Oct 2012
13785 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 6:01 pm to
I don't think the philosophy is the problem at all. You just can't be successful with a ground-and-pound offense when your OL is a weakness. We need it to be a strength, and it's nowhere near that. I've also been a bit annoyed that the coaching staff hasn't shown the willingness to adapt to our personnel. I maintain that Driskel could have been a pretty good spread QB, but he was obviously a square peg in a round hole in the pro-style.

I'm not advocating a change at all, but I'm also not going to buy into the sunshine that our program is on the Saban path. Unless something changes, I think we're on our way to winning 7-9 games a season.
This post was edited on 10/14/13 at 6:09 pm
Posted by 08Gatorbait
Member since Jul 2013
2316 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 6:24 pm to
Muschamp has had three four star high rated qbs.

Maybe, just maybe, It's development?
Posted by Edearl Watson
Parts Unknown
Member since May 2012
6782 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 6:45 pm to
quote:

Muschamp has had three four star high rated qbs.


John Brantley - terrible
Jeff Driskel - Athletic but doesn't have the natural instincts to play the position. At least he hasn't shown it.

Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
54303 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 7:27 pm to
quote:

John Brantley - terrible


Would've liked to see how 2011 turned out had he not gotten hurt against Bama.
Posted by 08Gatorbait
Member since Jul 2013
2316 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 7:44 pm to
Brantley and driskel needed good coaching. We couldn't make briss work either. That's three top recruits. At one point do we stop calling the players bust and start looking at their development?
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
54303 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 7:46 pm to
Brantley under Weis looked better than Driskel did in his entire time at UF.
Posted by 08Gatorbait
Member since Jul 2013
2316 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 7:51 pm to
Brantley threw for almost 180 yards or some crap on bama before he got hurt. He was the only qb that year to do that to that bama defense. He could have been a great qb if someone coached him. He had a great ARM and was accurate. He just didn't have the mind. That can be coached. Progressing reads, feeling pressure. These are coachable things. Natural is a strong ARM and mobility.
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30731 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 7:57 pm to
Go up to your front door and grab the door knob. That is Driskel's brain.

In all seriousness, Driskel can't handle a multi read offense. You put him in a zone read type O with some 1 read throws and he could be good. He is a horrible fit for what Muschamp wants to do on O though, or what Pease wants to do for that matter. Brantley may have been ok, but had a noodle arm and made shitty decisions.

At this point Champ is Grier or bust..
Posted by GatorsGators
Member since Oct 2012
13785 posts
Posted on 10/14/13 at 8:03 pm to
quote:

Progressing reads, feeling pressure. These are coachable things.
I really gotta disagree. Feeling pressure is purely instinctive. Some QBs have the instincts to be pocket passers; some don't. Driskel is an example of a great physical talent who just doesn't have the instincts to be a QB in a pro-style offense.
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