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re: Does Missouri regret coming to SEC now?
Posted on 11/20/12 at 4:07 am to mizzoukills
Posted on 11/20/12 at 4:07 am to mizzoukills
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We fit about as well in the Big 10 as we do in the SEC. It'll always be split...that's our history. We'll fight amongst ourselves over our identity and we'll fight with our neighbors over it to...because that's our history.
This is your best and most accurate line.
1. I was defending Fayetteville, Ark history which so many have a vast lack of knowledge in this department.
2. Southern Missouri did rally for the South. However, Missouri as a whole state overwhelmingly fought for the North. Columbia isn't in Southern Missouri yet did receive a lot of violence as they state sold off Slave property in Southern Missouri. However, Southern Missouri was outnumbered by a number of 3 to 1 Union in their own state.
"By the end of the Civil War Missouri had supplied nearly 110,000 troops to the Union and about 40,000 troops for the Confederate Army." This makes you Yankees, on this board, in the eyes of states that actually seceded while supplying double the amount of confederate troops the opposite of Missouri.
3. If Columbia didn't have it's Mascot crowned for fighting off Confederate rebels you might be given a redo, ha.
4. Missouri = Kentucky. States that never could make up it's mind.
The word "Southern" is as clear cut as "normal" or "rich" what do any of those mean?
If Southern is..
1. Black memorials on campus.
2. Had Civil War battles on it's campus.
3. Talks funny as a state.
4. Drinks sweet tea.
5. Is South of Kentucky.
6. Had Race riots on National TV
7. Grew Cotton
8. Mostly rural as a state.
Then Arkansas makes every single mark on that list. Some we should not be proud of as history.
If today's definition of "southern" is geographical with a little history mixed in... Than anything south of Kansas City is Southern by drawing a line across the nation which would including Kentucky and half of Missouri into the mix removing Maryland and VA.
Arkansas withdraw from the Union before Tennessee and North Carolina.
This is your best map of them all..
Shows Confederate Strong hold in 1861 at the beginning of the War.
Missouri and Kentucky had no shot whatsoever of being Southern to many Unionists in their own states.
One thing is for certain. Missouri does have an identity crisis. You are a good man for understanding film and shoes.
You know why Missouri and Kentucky couldn't make up their minds?.. It is because directly in the middle of each of their states is where the line was drawn politically with the North being more powerful.
This post was edited on 11/20/12 at 4:14 am
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Posted on 11/20/12 at 4:17 am to SunHog
Your numbers about Confederate and Union troops don't tell it all.
Over 30,000 foreign born (mostly German) men that settled in Missouri fought for the Union.
In comparison to the other Confederate states, Missouri had a larger percentage of first generation northern and foreign settlers.
Many Missouri men who fought for the Confederate cause were not official soldiers, but guerrillas.
I'm not saying we weren't a split state, but it's a lot closer than how you're portraying it.
At one time Missouri had two acting governments. That doesn't happen if you're hands down a yankee state.
The first Confederate capitol of Jackson army was in Missouri, that doesn't happen if you're a hands down yankee state.
You have to consider these things, if you don't your just being ignorant. I'm not saying we weren't a split sate, I'm saying there is more to it.
Why does Arkansas target Missouri on this topic harder than anyone else, it's bizarre.
Arkansas is more like Missouri than any of the states it borders (this is unquestionable, it's truth). The Ozark is our link, it's a melting pot of our two states. Yes Arkansas is more southern than Missouri, but we're also a lot alike.
And those that said Fayetteville and Arkansas aren't really southern are wrong. It's just a different part of the south than Baton Rouge.
Just like Madison Wisconsin is the north, but a different part of the north than Escanaba Michigan (The U.P).
You Arky's read the Oxford American? Great southern magazine out of Arkansas. LINK /
Over 30,000 foreign born (mostly German) men that settled in Missouri fought for the Union.
In comparison to the other Confederate states, Missouri had a larger percentage of first generation northern and foreign settlers.
Many Missouri men who fought for the Confederate cause were not official soldiers, but guerrillas.
I'm not saying we weren't a split state, but it's a lot closer than how you're portraying it.
At one time Missouri had two acting governments. That doesn't happen if you're hands down a yankee state.
The first Confederate capitol of Jackson army was in Missouri, that doesn't happen if you're a hands down yankee state.
You have to consider these things, if you don't your just being ignorant. I'm not saying we weren't a split sate, I'm saying there is more to it.
Why does Arkansas target Missouri on this topic harder than anyone else, it's bizarre.
Arkansas is more like Missouri than any of the states it borders (this is unquestionable, it's truth). The Ozark is our link, it's a melting pot of our two states. Yes Arkansas is more southern than Missouri, but we're also a lot alike.
And those that said Fayetteville and Arkansas aren't really southern are wrong. It's just a different part of the south than Baton Rouge.
Just like Madison Wisconsin is the north, but a different part of the north than Escanaba Michigan (The U.P).
You Arky's read the Oxford American? Great southern magazine out of Arkansas. LINK /
This post was edited on 11/20/12 at 5:02 am
Posted on 11/20/12 at 11:25 am to SunHog
Sunhog
You forgot to mention #9...More Trailers than actual Homes.
Which further proves that Missouri belongs in the Big 10.
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If Southern is..
1. Black memorials on campus.
2. Had Civil War battles on it's campus.
3. Talks funny as a state.
4. Drinks sweet tea.
5. Is South of Kentucky.
6. Had Race riots on National TV
7. Grew Cotton
8. Mostly rural as a state.
Then Arkansas makes every single mark on that list. Some we should not be proud of as history.
You forgot to mention #9...More Trailers than actual Homes.
Which further proves that Missouri belongs in the Big 10.
This post was edited on 11/20/12 at 11:28 am
Posted on 11/20/12 at 11:34 am to SunHog
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Southern Missouri did rally for the South. However, Missouri as a whole state overwhelmingly fought for the North. Columbia isn't in Southern Missouri yet did receive a lot of violence as they state sold off Slave property in Southern Missouri. However, Southern Missouri was outnumbered by a number of 3 to 1 Union in their own state.
Actually really off here the strongest support for the Confederate cause was the SE corner, Western Border and along the Missouri River (known as Little Dixie). Most Ozark Mtn people preferred neutrality.
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