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Diving a little deeper into the "Aaron Murray hasn't beaten a ranked team" thing

Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:18 pm
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:18 pm
TL;DR WARNING. TL;DR WARNING. TL;DR WARNING. I would only advise reading further if you're a UGA fan, are at all interested in the topic clearly posted in the subject, or are very, very bored.



First of all, that is such a misleading statement. Take the bowl game last year. If our kicker was worth a damn and he makes the game winner, what would be different as it relates to Murray? Does that one play, by our kicker, that lasts about 5 seconds, really determine how good or how bad Murray is? Second of all, he has beaten ranked teams. With that said, I've gone through every game he's played against a ranked team and listed his stats. The overall record certainly isn't good, but how much of that we can really pin ON Murray directly? Let's take a look see shall we?

2010- Freshman

@#24 SC- L, 6-17 14/21, 192 yard, 0/0
Our defense game up 182 yards and 2 touchdowns to Lattimore. His numbers weren't great, but it was his 2nd game ever. Our run defense really let us down, but he could've done more.

#12 Arky- L, 24-31 15/27, 253 yards, 1/1
Ok yardage. However, our defense gave up nearly 400 yards to Mallet including giving up the GW touchdown with under a minute left. Once again, this loss falls heavily on our defense.

@ #2 AU- L, 31-49 15/28, 273 yards, 3/0.
By comparison, Cam had 148, 2/1. Murray played great this game and put us way ahead early. However, the defense gave up 460 yards and we committed 10 penalties. We rushed for 81 yards. He was basically forced to try to win the game himself...against the best team in the country and eventual national champ at their place.

#25 UCF- L, 6-10 21/38, 198 yards, 0/2
This is the only game his freshman season where you can really say he stunk up the joint. This was just such a lackluster game in all phases it's still mind boggling to think about.


2011- Sophomore

#5 Boise- L, 21-35 16/29, 236 yards, 2/1
Pretty good numbers, not great. They had 11 more first downs than we did and we doubled their penalty yardage. None of the that falls on Murray. He certainly didn't play outstanding, but he played well and our defense gave up 35 points to the 5th ranked team. You could make a case he should've done more, but you can't pin this game on him.

#12 SC- L, 42-45 19/29, 248 yards, 4/1
Excellent numbers, and also threw for a 2pt conversion. Our defense gave up 7 and we also had a stupid turnover that led to 7. In all fairness, that pick was returned for 7 and he also had a costly fumble. He wasn't flawless, but he certainly played well enough for us to win. We gave up 176 yards to Lattimore. Anytime your team scores 45 points, you should win, period. He made some mistakes, but again this game is not on his shoulders.

#20 AU- W, 45-7 14/18, 224 yards, 4/0
Outstanding game by Murray and our defense came to play. Easy win.

@ #23 GT- W, 31-17 19/29, 252 yards, 4/1
Another great stat line that resulted in a win.

#1 LSU- L, 10-42 16/40, 163 yards, 1/2
Bad stats for Murray, although he had 2 sure touchdowns in the first half hit receivers in the hands and were dropped. That's not his fault. We gave up 200 yards on the ground and allowed a ST touchdown to the team ranked #1 all season long. It would've taken an A+ effort in all phases of the game to win and we obviously didn't. But I definitely don't see how Murray would be to blame for this loss. We simply lost to a better team.

#17 MSU- L, 30-33 (3OT) 20/32, 288 yards, 2/2
Not great numbers, not bad either. We were up 7 with 2 minutes in the game and our defense blew it. Our kicker missed 2 FGs that would've won the game. Like I mentioned in the beginning, if our kicker makes one of those would that change Murray's day? Of course not.


So there you have it. A woefully bad record against ranked teams, but when you look closer he really isn't to blame for many of them. For people who say "Murray is overrated because he can't beat ranked teams", I would point out that the reason he hasn't beaten more is largely due to the defense in those games especially in 2010 under a first year coordinator.




This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 10:03 pm
Posted by Crompdaddy8
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:19 pm to
tl;dr

cliffs: he's overrated
Posted by Gladius Veritas
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:20 pm to
This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 9:21 pm
Posted by dkreller
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:20 pm to
Translation: UGA panties will get popped again.
Posted by bamascott2
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:21 pm to
tfl;dfr.
Posted by tween the hedges
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:22 pm to
Solid points.

We'll show them all this year when Murray makes a Heisman run.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:22 pm to
What I don't understand is why people feel the need to post stupid tldr crap when I clearly and explicitly stated that it was going to be long. Just don't read it if you don't care.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:23 pm to
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tfl;dfr.


nfc;nff
Posted by BreakawayZou83
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:23 pm to
His numbers aren't terrible, but he certainly hasn't stepped up to the plate yet in big games.


The defensive stat lines are more concerning if I'm a UGA fan.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:24 pm to
You make good points, but QBs will always be measured by their winning percentage. It doesn't matter who lost the game for the team, it comes with the job of being QB.
Posted by Gladius Veritas
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:25 pm to
quote:

What I don't understand is why people feel the need to post stupid tldr crap when I clearly and explicitly stated that it was going to be long. Just don't read it if you don't care.


Posted by BreakawayZou83
Kansas City, Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
9450 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:25 pm to
quote:

What I don't understand is why people feel the need to post stupid tldr crap when I clearly and explicitly stated that it was going to be long. Just don't read it if you don't care.


That shite is annoying and not very funny. This is actually a solid thread, save the stupid tl;dr gifs for bad threads.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:26 pm to
quote:

The defensive stat lines are more concerning if I'm a UGA fan.




I don't care about the ones from 2010, it was our first year in the 3-4 and with a brand new defensive staff. In 2011 we had a top 5 defense. 28 of SC's points can be attributed to somewhere else other than the defense. MSU was just piss poor play. My whole point is that I'm not worried at all about Murray "not being able to beat ranked teams".
Posted by USMC Gators
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:27 pm to
All I know is he gave the game to us in 2010 and got bailed out by Richard Samuel last year in the second half.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:28 pm to
quote:

QBs will always be measured by their winning percentage. It doesn't matter who lost the game for the team, it comes with the job of being QB.


Yeah I definitely understand that, and it goes the other way too. David Greene didn't set the NCAA wins record because he was such a badass, he just happened to have some stellar defenses to help his cause. I guess I was just saying that all the criticism he's gotten isn't necessarily fair to him. By the way people talk, anytime he plays a ranked team he shits himself and just starts throwing the ball up in the air.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:29 pm to
quote:

got bailed out by Richard Samuel last year in the second half.




What about the 2 4th down touchdowns he threw, and the last pass to Conley to ice the game?
Posted by dawgfan1979
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:31 pm to
Murray just needs an Oline and running game.

Posted by dkreller
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:32 pm to
and a head coach
Posted by kc4usc
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:32 pm to
You lost me slightly on the 2011 SC game. I would argue Murray lost that one completely on his own. He threw pick 6 when DB undercut so those 7 are on him and nobody else. Late in the game LT blew assignment and Clowney came free Murray instead of tucking ball at contact allows Clowney to sling him around like a rag doll holding the ball out at full extension it comes loose and Ingram picks it up and scores. Mostly on Murray because he clearly saw Clowney and could have tucked ball and took 10 yard loss. So thats 14 on Murray and Murray alone. SC game is all on his shoulders rest of team played well enough to win!
Posted by CockRocket
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 9:32 pm to
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@#24 SC- L, 6-17 14/21, 192 yard, 0/0
Our defense game up 182 yards and 2 touchdowns to Lattimore...our (run)defense lost this game.

quote:

#12 SC- L, 42-45 19/29, 248 yards, 4/1
We gave up 176 yards to Lattimore...But again this game is not on his [AM] shoulders.

Can't give credit where credit is due. ML bout to make that D his bitch again.
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