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re: How long before TAMU or MIZZOU are contenders in SEC football?
Posted on 6/30/12 at 2:37 pm to Hobosapien
Posted on 6/30/12 at 2:37 pm to Hobosapien
A&M is gonna be fine--at least as good as Mizzou, FL, Auburn, etc. in just a year or two. Their recruiting base is just too good not to be. I think your traditions are great--don't change a thing there
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Posted on 6/30/12 at 2:48 pm to Roaad
All I can say is that if A&M get a big name solid coach they'll do a lot of damage in the SEC. I don't know too much about their current coach. I'm interested to see their recruiting class 2-3yrs from now. I'm sure they'll pull some good recruits over Texas and OU.
This post was edited on 6/30/12 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 6/30/12 at 2:58 pm to Monticello
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Desire: aTm's dream was to join the SEC. Missouri is here because the Big Ten (their more natural fit) turned them down
Not entirely true.
Missouri was offered partial membership (like Nebraska). Basically Missouri wouldn't have been a full member of the Big Ten for a few years.
Missouri's administrators went into re-alignment with the mindset of becoming an immediate full member of a conference whether it be the SEC or Big Ten.
Missouri rejected the crap deal that Nebraska accepted.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 3:08 pm to BreakawayZou83
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But now that we have committed to the SEC, I think it would upset far too many people both within Mizzou and outside it for us to ever leave.
I sure hope so. I welcome Mizzou if this is your long term solution, especially if we go to 16 teams and have you guys in the West. Mizzou is the only team in this conference that I think would benefit from a move to another conference, so that still worries me.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 3:12 pm to Hobosapien
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Cant stand some of the A&M guys on here.. I think a lot of us are trying to be humble, but I think a big problem is most are trying to be "accepted," even to the point of talking down on our own university because everybody gives us a hard time.. Every school has their own traditions and we have ours..
Anyway, big things are happening at A&M right now and I think our school is in the process of making a huge turnaround athletically. If you havent seen whats in the works lately at A&M or dont know much about us, check it out. Youd be stupid to think A&M isnt coming into the SEC swingin. Better believe weve got the money, the geography, the size, and the potential to succeed here. And if/when we get our act together, little gay ol' A&Ms gonna surprise a lot of people
Totally agree.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 3:16 pm to Monticello
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I sure hope so. I welcome Mizzou if this is your long term solution, especially if we go to 16 teams and have you guys in the West. Mizzou is the only team in this conference that I think would benefit from a move to another conference, so that still worries me.
I don't think theres anyway we leave the SEC.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 3:23 pm to Monticello
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We had a grassroots campaign to get our administrators to make the move to the SEC. Tens of thousands of emails were sent. Did you ever hear any of that for the Big Ten? We wanted to go to the Big Ten when we thought that was the only option of the table. When we found out that we had an invite from the Southeastern Conference we demanded that the move be made immediately. With the excitement around the state for the SEC move, the booster pledge excitement, and businesses that are looking to step up, there would be a riot if it was ever even rumored that we were looking around.
This all the way, and then again on Tuesday. Let us put it to you this way Monticello. The aggies have a better chance to leave the SEC than we do. Picture the perfect scenario. Say the Big 12 crumbles. Texas, finally sees the light and realizes the error in their ways. They make a plea to ATM to come back and help form a new conference together. Makes all sort of concessions to bring them "back home".
With Texas arrogance, how likely do you think they would swallow that enormous pride and reach out to ATM? Would ATM bolt from the SEC and create the scenario you are concerned about? I don't know about the second question, but the first I would say Not A Chance In Hell. Which is the same chance Mizzou would ever leave the SEC for the Big 10. Especially with so many Missouri citizens demanding the move to the SEC.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 3:36 pm to Roaad
Texas A&M really just needs a high level coach as they already have recruits, stadium, fans, and money
Missouri is not as blessed
If the Florida can rise in the east, same could happen for Texas A&M in the west over next decade or two.
Missouri may be another Vandy at worst, but probably peaks as a mid level SEC football school. Sure they could hit a great team in a generation, but I do not think they can sustain it.
Missouri is not as blessed
If the Florida can rise in the east, same could happen for Texas A&M in the west over next decade or two.
Missouri may be another Vandy at worst, but probably peaks as a mid level SEC football school. Sure they could hit a great team in a generation, but I do not think they can sustain it.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 3:36 pm to Mizzou4ever
Mizzou was in their last conference home for over 100 years. We're not going anywhere ANYTIME soon
Posted on 6/30/12 at 3:50 pm to Mizzoumatt
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think Mizzou will show a few growing pains on the road this season (DEF at SC, prob at The Swamp, and quite possibly at UT), but as they beef up both lines over the next few years through (hopefully) better recruiting, I think they'll perennially be in the Top 6 of the conference
Missouri won't ever be a perennial top 6 team in the SEC.
I think that will be the biggest adjustment for A&M and Mizzou. The depth of elite programs in the conference is absurd compared to other leagues. The SEC features 6 teams in the top 16 winning % of all-time. 5 of those teams have won BCS era titles. Prior to expansion the Big 10 and Big 12 were tied for second most with 3 each.
Missouri will slot in perennially from the 7-10 range like Arkansas and South Carolina with the occasional run at a division/conference title and the occasional down year where they finish in the bottom two of the division.
This post was edited on 6/30/12 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 6/30/12 at 4:20 pm to Mizzoumatt
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I think Mizzou will perennially be in the Top 6 of the conference
Posted on 6/30/12 at 5:28 pm to Mizzoumatt
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I think they'll perennially be in the Top 6 of the conference
Posted on 6/30/12 at 5:33 pm to Mizzou4ever
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Would ATM bolt from the SEC and create the scenario you are concerned about?
And pass up the chance to tell them to frick off?
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Posted on 6/30/12 at 5:34 pm to Roaad
MIZZOU contends for the East this year. TAMU is mostly freshmen and sophs so it'll be awhile for the Aggies.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 5:50 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
While in general I agree with you Shane, don't miss the point I was trying to make about Mizzou leaving the SEC to Monticello.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 6:18 pm to Monticello
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Mizzou's best chance is right now while Florida and Tennessee are at all time low's and Georgia is coached by a really nice guy. If things go their way, Mizzou could be an East contender this year. Franklin is no Cam Newton, but he has a very similar skill set that Cam proved could be wildly successful in the SEC. Combine that with an elite offensive weapon in DGB and you have a team no one can take lightly. They WILL beat UGA. I think Mizzou becomes a permanent middle of the pack team once UF and UT come back though. Mizzou is like Iowa or Arkansas. Decent program that can be competitive every year with strategic recruiting and redshirting, but the distance from the recruiting hot spots will limit their long term potential. The West is too strong currently for aTm to contend for an SEC title. I do think they have unlimited potential though, particularly when they upgrade to SEC level facilities and have a 100k seat stadium within a short drive of Houston, San Antonio and Dallas. In about 3 to 4 years they will have top 10 talent and all they will need is a little luck to go their way.
Agreed!
Posted on 6/30/12 at 6:20 pm to TheCheshireHog
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Missouri won't ever be a perennial top 6 team in the SEC. I think that will be the biggest adjustment for A&M and Mizzou. The depth of elite programs in the conference is absurd compared to other leagues. The SEC features 6 teams in the top 16 winning % of all-time. 5 of those teams have won BCS era titles. Prior to expansion the Big 10 and Big 12 were tied for second most with 3 each. Missouri will slot in perennially from the 7-10 range like Arkansas and South Carolina with the occasional run at a division/conference title and the occasional down year where they finish in the bottom two of the division.
Good post!
Posted on 6/30/12 at 7:39 pm to cardboardboxer
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We are a contender two years after our stadium is done
are you sure? what the hell does your stadium have to do with it? sounds pretty arbitrary to me.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 8:05 pm to LSU GrandDad
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hat the hell does your stadium have to do with it?
recruiting
Posted on 6/30/12 at 8:08 pm to Mizzou4ever
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The aggies have a better chance to leave the SEC than we do. Picture the perfect scenario. Say the Big 12 crumbles. Texas, finally sees the light and realizes the error in their ways. They make a plea to ATM to come back and help form a new conference together. Makes all sort of concessions to bring them "back home".
With Texas arrogance, how likely do you think they would swallow that enormous pride and reach out to ATM? Would ATM bolt from the SEC and create the scenario you are concerned about? I don't know about the second question, but the first I would say Not A Chance In Hell. Which is the same chance Mizzou would ever leave the SEC for the Big 10. Especially with so many Missouri citizens demanding the move to the SEC.
WOW!
If that were to happen, aTm would be TU's bitch forevermore.
I don't see that occurring.
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