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How many teams that didnt win their conference have played for the BCS title?

Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:09 pm
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:09 pm
Two.

Yet, I'm told, this doesn't happen. What gives?
This post was edited on 11/12/11 at 11:11 pm
Posted by roody
hoistin' for my ship
Member since Nov 2009
2052 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:10 pm to
how many times did it result in a rematch?
Posted by nugget
Abrego Garcia Fan
Member since Dec 2009
15685 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:12 pm to
And also, how many times did that team not even win it's division?
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
70339 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:13 pm to
quote:

how many times did it result in a rematch?


There's always a first time for everything.
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
26857 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:15 pm to
Is a product of two thIngs on this board one LSU fans wanting a cake in the champ game and not playing the only team with a snowballs chance in he'll of winning and two subconciously it delegitimizes their 2007 argument for jumping GA when they were playing better ball at the end of the season, but to be honest whether there has ever been a nonconf champ go or not doesn't matter It is supposed to be the two best teams and each year is different.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
83741 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:16 pm to
Many individuals on this site have lost sight on what the BCS is designed to do, which is match the two best teams against each other in the title game. Everyone freely admits that Alabama and LSU are the two best teams, yet LSU and Auburn fans want to totally disregard that truth.
Posted by Indfanfromcol
LSU
Member since Jan 2011
14914 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:16 pm to
How many teams have played in the nc that haven't won their conference and are playing the team that did win their conference?
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10443 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:16 pm to
It has not happened since the BCS formula was given a heavy human poll weighting after the '03 tragedy of USCw being left out.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
83741 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:18 pm to
The only thing missing from the 2003 BCS formula is margin of victory. Try again.
Posted by Cheapseats87
CA
Member since Nov 2010
314 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:18 pm to
If I remember correctly Oklahoma lost it's conference game to Nebraska in 2003 but still went on to play in the BCSCG.

I don't remember the other.
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
28365 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:18 pm to
BCS has changed...now 2/3 humans.

And you're totally leaving out the rematch factor. None of the times you mention were rematches.
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10443 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:20 pm to
quote:

The only thing missing from the 2003 BCS formula is margin of victory. Try again.


NOT TRUE AT ALL - they changed the formula for the '04 season to be 1/3 AP, 1/3 Coaches, 1/3 Computer, later replacing the AP with the Harris at the request of the AP.

I'll have to find the link to what it was before that.
This post was edited on 11/12/11 at 11:21 pm
Posted by TheMightyTerrier
Member since Nov 2010
2102 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:22 pm to
Who gives a shite. Why don't we let the season play out first. Novel concept I know. If you get in the NCG then good luck. If you don't then there is always next year. The case could be mad for Bama either way, so let's just see what happens.
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10443 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:23 pm to
LINK

1997:

quote:

A new mathematical formula, the BCS standings, was created to determine the participants. The standings consisted of four elements: subjective polls of writers and coaches, the average of three computer rankings (Sagarin, Seattle Times and New York Times), the teams' records, and a strength-of-schedule index based on the records of a team's opponents and its opponents' opponents.


2001:

quote:

To further emphasize the importance of a team's strength of schedule, a fifth component, "quality wins," was added to the standings formula. Teams with regular-season victories over opponents ranked in the top 15 of the BCS standings received bonus points-from 1.5 points for a victory over the top-ranked team to 0.1 points for a victory over the team ranked No. 15.


2004:
quote:

The strength-of-schedule, team-record and quality-win components were removed, inasmuch as those elements were also reflected in the computer rankings. The standings formula was adjusted to include the average of the computer rankings, the AP media poll and the USA Today coaches poll, each weighted one-third. The New York Times computer rankings were removed, and so the standings formula would be the average of six computer rankings. A team's highest and lowest computer rankings would be discarded when figuring a team's computer poll average. Points would be assigned in inverse order of ranking from 1-25; the four remaining computer scores would be averaged and the total would be calculated as a percentage of 100. The standings formula would no longer average the weekly rank of each team in the media and coaches' polls. Instead, a team would be evaluated based on the voting points it received in each poll-a team's AP score would be its points in the poll divided by a possible 1,800 voting points (1,500 voting points in the coaches poll.)
Posted by Eurotrash
Germany
Member since Dec 2005
55 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:24 pm to
[quote]theres always a first time for everything [/quote
Posted by Cdawg
TigerFred's Living Room
Member since Sep 2003
61769 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:24 pm to
quote:

If I remember correctly Oklahoma lost it's conference game to Nebraska in 2003 but still went on to play in the BCSCG.

K-State beat Oklahoma.

quote:

I don't remember the other.

Nebraska played in the 2001 without winning the Big 12 or winning the north.
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10443 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:24 pm to
quote:

If I remember correctly Oklahoma lost it's conference game to Nebraska in 2003 but still went on to play in the BCSCG.


They got blown out by K State and retained BCS #1 even after the human polls dropped them to #3.
Posted by SoGaFan
Member since Jan 2008
5956 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:25 pm to
As a UGA fan, if Bama gets a shot when not even appearing in the SECCG, I would personally lead the pitchfork brigade to ESPN HQ after they made it their life's work to screw UGA over at the end of 2007.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37291 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:26 pm to
blame usc and ou from 2003

it became a talking point after the media members were pissed their pick wasn't good enough because of SOS and computers to make teh game
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10443 posts
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:26 pm to
quote:


Nebraska played in the 2001 without winning the Big 12 or winning the north.


... AND the selection process at the time kept Colorado, the Big 12 champion, from getting an automatic bid. They did end up getting selected by the Fiesta Bowl though.
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