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Who has the best resume? (11-1 Bama, 11-1 Arky, 11-1 LSU)
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:32 am
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:32 am
If Arkansas beats LSU on Friday and Alabama beats Auburn on Saturday, LSU/Arkansas/Alabama would end up in a 3-way tie in the SEC West, all with identical 11-1 (7-1) records. LSU beat Alabama, Alabama beat Arkansas, and Arkansas beat LSU. The human voters will have to take a step back and review the entire resumes of the three tied teams as the head-to-head wins cancel each other out.
Below is all the information one would need to break a 3-way tie between LSU (11-1), Arkansas (11-1), and Alabama (11-1).
3-WAY TIE SCENARIOS
*listed from most likely to least likely:
-If BCS rankings end up Bama-LSU-Arky...LSU goes to SECCG
-If BCS rankings end up LSU-Bama-Arky...LSU goes to SECCG
-If BCS rankings end up Bama-Arky-LSU...Alabama goes to SECCG
-If BCS rankings end up Arky-Bama-LSU...Alabama goes to SECCG
-If BCS rankings end up LSU-Arky-Bama...Arkansas goes to SECCG
-If BCS rankings end up Arky-LSU-Bama...Arkansas goes to SECCG
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SCHEDULES/RESULTS
Alabama 11-1 (7-1)
vs Kent State W 48-7
@ #23 Penn State W 27-11
vs North Texas W 41-0
vs #14 Arkansas W 38-14
@ #12 Florida W 38-10
vs Vanderbilt W 34-0
@ Ole Miss W 52-7
vs Tennessee W 37-6
vs #1 LSU L 9-6 OT
@ Mississippi State W 24-7
vs Georgia Southern W 45-21
@ Auburn W
Arkansas 11-1 (7-1)
vs Missouri State W 51-7
vs New Mexico W 52-3
vs Troy W 38-28
@ #3 Alabama L 38-14
vs #14 Texas A&M* W 42-38
vs #15 Auburn W 38-14
@ Ole Miss W 29-24
@ Vanderbilt W 31-28
vs #9 South Carolina W 44-28
vs Tennessee W 49-7
vs Mississippi State W 44-17
@ #1 LSU W
LSU 11-1 (7-1)
vs #3 Oregon* W 40-27
vs Northwestern State W 49-3
@ #25 Mississippi State W 19-6
@ #16 West Virginia W 47-21
vs Kentucky W 35-7
vs #17 Florida W 41-11
@ Tennessee W 38-7
vs #20 Auburn W 45-10
@ #2 Alabama W 9-6 OT
vs Western Kentucky W 42-9
@ Ole Miss W 52-3
vs #3 Arkansas L
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STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE
NCAA: Strength of Schedule Rankings
1. LSU - #5 nationally, opponents are 61-38 (.616 winning percentage)
2. Alabama - #21 nationally, opponents are 58-43 (.574 winning percentage)
3. Arkansas - #36 nationally, opponents are 55-46 (.545 winning percentage)
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CONCLUSION
Based on these resumes, a reasonable person should come to the following conclusions:
1. LSU easily has the best overall resume, winning vs Oregon, @ West Virginia, and @ Alabama. LSU dominated 10 of the 12 teams it faced. LSU should be ranked the highest of the three teams.
2. Alabama throttled Arkansas, and played a slightly tougher schedule than the Hogs, winning @ Penn State and vs Arkansas. Alabama dominated 11 of the 12 teams it faced. Alabama should be ranked 2nd highest of the three teams.
3. Arkansas, by default, should be ranked 3rd highest of the three teams. Arkanasas dominated ONLY 6 of the 12 teams it faced.
ESPN's Brad Edwards - BCS Minute: What if Arkansas defeats LSU?
Edwards: LSU will win three-way tiebreaker and advance to Atlanta
Below is all the information one would need to break a 3-way tie between LSU (11-1), Arkansas (11-1), and Alabama (11-1).
3-WAY TIE SCENARIOS
*listed from most likely to least likely:
-If BCS rankings end up Bama-LSU-Arky...LSU goes to SECCG
-If BCS rankings end up LSU-Bama-Arky...LSU goes to SECCG
-If BCS rankings end up Bama-Arky-LSU...Alabama goes to SECCG
-If BCS rankings end up Arky-Bama-LSU...Alabama goes to SECCG
-If BCS rankings end up LSU-Arky-Bama...Arkansas goes to SECCG
-If BCS rankings end up Arky-LSU-Bama...Arkansas goes to SECCG
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SCHEDULES/RESULTS
Alabama 11-1 (7-1)
vs Kent State W 48-7
@ #23 Penn State W 27-11
vs North Texas W 41-0
vs #14 Arkansas W 38-14
@ #12 Florida W 38-10
vs Vanderbilt W 34-0
@ Ole Miss W 52-7
vs Tennessee W 37-6
vs #1 LSU L 9-6 OT
@ Mississippi State W 24-7
vs Georgia Southern W 45-21
@ Auburn W
Arkansas 11-1 (7-1)
vs Missouri State W 51-7
vs New Mexico W 52-3
vs Troy W 38-28
@ #3 Alabama L 38-14
vs #14 Texas A&M* W 42-38
vs #15 Auburn W 38-14
@ Ole Miss W 29-24
@ Vanderbilt W 31-28
vs #9 South Carolina W 44-28
vs Tennessee W 49-7
vs Mississippi State W 44-17
@ #1 LSU W
LSU 11-1 (7-1)
vs #3 Oregon* W 40-27
vs Northwestern State W 49-3
@ #25 Mississippi State W 19-6
@ #16 West Virginia W 47-21
vs Kentucky W 35-7
vs #17 Florida W 41-11
@ Tennessee W 38-7
vs #20 Auburn W 45-10
@ #2 Alabama W 9-6 OT
vs Western Kentucky W 42-9
@ Ole Miss W 52-3
vs #3 Arkansas L
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STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE
NCAA: Strength of Schedule Rankings
1. LSU - #5 nationally, opponents are 61-38 (.616 winning percentage)
2. Alabama - #21 nationally, opponents are 58-43 (.574 winning percentage)
3. Arkansas - #36 nationally, opponents are 55-46 (.545 winning percentage)
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CONCLUSION
Based on these resumes, a reasonable person should come to the following conclusions:
1. LSU easily has the best overall resume, winning vs Oregon, @ West Virginia, and @ Alabama. LSU dominated 10 of the 12 teams it faced. LSU should be ranked the highest of the three teams.
2. Alabama throttled Arkansas, and played a slightly tougher schedule than the Hogs, winning @ Penn State and vs Arkansas. Alabama dominated 11 of the 12 teams it faced. Alabama should be ranked 2nd highest of the three teams.
3. Arkansas, by default, should be ranked 3rd highest of the three teams. Arkanasas dominated ONLY 6 of the 12 teams it faced.
ESPN's Brad Edwards - BCS Minute: What if Arkansas defeats LSU?
Edwards: LSU will win three-way tiebreaker and advance to Atlanta
This post was edited on 11/23/11 at 10:03 am
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Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:34 am to JPLSU1981
1. LSU
2. Arkansas
3. Bama
2. Arkansas
3. Bama
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:34 am to JPLSU1981
LSU
Bama
Arky
Bama
Arky
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:34 am to JPLSU1981
LSU - seven ranked teams
Bama - they beat Arkansas
Arkansas - sorry, even though you played ranked teams that are on average ranked higher than Alabama, you are still Arkansas and no one outside of your state cares.
Bama - they beat Arkansas
Arkansas - sorry, even though you played ranked teams that are on average ranked higher than Alabama, you are still Arkansas and no one outside of your state cares.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:35 am to Jon Ham
quote:
2. Arkansas
3. Bama
Not disagreeing necessarily, but can you tell me the reason(s) why you put Arky above Bama?
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:36 am to JPLSU1981
LSU , Arky, Bama
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:36 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
quote:
1.LSU
2.Bama
3.Arky
this is how I would put it
My reasoning: LSU easily has the best overall resume...so they get the #1 spot....then it comes to deciding between Arky and Bama for #2, and since Bama beat Arky pretty good AND have a better overall resume, OOC schedule, more dominating wins, I'd have to go with Bama at 2 and Arky at 3
This post was edited on 11/10/11 at 11:38 am
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:36 am to hashtag
Bama's win over an injury depleted Arkansas team with a new o-line at home is not as impressive as LSU's win @ Bama or an Arkansas win @ LSU.
Bama's win at PSU was okay. PSU is currently 8-1, but they have yet to earn a win over a ranked opponent and barely beat Temple, Indiana, and Purdue. PSU is about to earn 2 or 3 more losses in their final games against Nebraska, Ohio State, and Wisconsin.
All of the other teams Bama has beat are shite.
Therefore, Bama's biggest accomplishments this season, and why they deserve to be a top 3 team is... (drumroll)....: 1) Their #2 preseason ranking, and 2) their 3 point loss to LSU at home where they could only muster 6 total points through regulation and overtime.
Bama's win at PSU was okay. PSU is currently 8-1, but they have yet to earn a win over a ranked opponent and barely beat Temple, Indiana, and Purdue. PSU is about to earn 2 or 3 more losses in their final games against Nebraska, Ohio State, and Wisconsin.
All of the other teams Bama has beat are shite.
Therefore, Bama's biggest accomplishments this season, and why they deserve to be a top 3 team is... (drumroll)....: 1) Their #2 preseason ranking, and 2) their 3 point loss to LSU at home where they could only muster 6 total points through regulation and overtime.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:36 am to JPLSU1981
The Vandy and Ole Miss games automatically put Arky at the bottom of the barrel for me.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:36 am to JPLSU1981
LSU
Bama
Arky
easiest ranking I've ever done
Bama
Arky
easiest ranking I've ever done
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:37 am to JPLSU1981
Assuming everyone on here isn't completely retarded, LSU has to be the #1 team.
If only Arky and Bama had a tiebreaker, like a head to head matchup or something.
If only Arky and Bama had a tiebreaker, like a head to head matchup or something.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:37 am to Jon Ham
quote:
an Arkansas win @ LSU
didn't realize we were dealing with unrealistic hypotheticals here
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:38 am to JPLSU1981
I did not post that, but I can give you my idea on why I would not put Alabama's resume above LSU or Arkansas if we all end up tied.
It is pretty simple......Alabama got both LSU & Arkansas at home. Arkansas will have had to go on the road to both, while LSU had to go on the road to Alabama.
It is pretty simple......Alabama got both LSU & Arkansas at home. Arkansas will have had to go on the road to both, while LSU had to go on the road to Alabama.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:38 am to Jon Ham
quote:
1. LSU
2. Arkansas
3. Bama
So them annihilating you on the field and benching your quarterback wasn't worthy enough to put them ahead of you?
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:38 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
quote:
LSU
Bama
Arky
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:38 am to JPLSU1981
Ooops
This post was edited on 11/10/11 at 11:39 am
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:39 am to GoldenTiger85
quote:
So them annihilating you on the field and benching your quarterback wasn't worthy enough to put them ahead of you?
You want to base these rankings off one game? Okay then, I would put Arkansas over LSU b/c Arky would have a win over LSU on the road.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:41 am to Jon Ham
LSU
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Bama
Arky
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Bama
Arky
Troof.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:50 am to deaux68
quote:
Assuming everyone on here isn't completely retarded, LSU has to be the #1 team.
If only Arky and Bama had a tiebreaker, like a head to head matchup or something.
Of course that head-head tiebraker wouldn't apply to Arkansas' big (hypothetical) win at LSU right?
3 way ties always create a mess, but I've always been inclined to look at what has happened recently. We know teams usually progress or digress during a season, so I tend to put more stock into what happens at the end of the season.
That being said, records aside, LSU has looked really good all year while Arkansas has looked more consistently vulnerable, and at times weak.
But put yourself in Arkansas' shoes. Same record, same conference, same division and you just beat their butts on national TV two days before...and that's not supposed to count for anything? Because one team is a media favorite and the other is not?
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:51 am to JPLSU1981
Based on these resumes, a reasonable person should come to the following conclusions:
1. LSU easily has the best overall resume, winning vs Oregon, @ West Virginia, and @ Alabama. LSU dominated 10 of the 12 teams it faced.
2. LSU should be ranked the highest of the three teams
3. Alabama throttled Arkansas, and played a tougher schedule than the Hogs, winning @ Penn State. Alabama dominated 11 of the 12 teams it faced.
4. Alabama should be ranked 2nd highest of the three teams
5. Arkansas, by default, should be ranked 3rd highest of the three teams. Arkanasas dominated 5 of the 12 teams it faced.
1. LSU easily has the best overall resume, winning vs Oregon, @ West Virginia, and @ Alabama. LSU dominated 10 of the 12 teams it faced.
2. LSU should be ranked the highest of the three teams
3. Alabama throttled Arkansas, and played a tougher schedule than the Hogs, winning @ Penn State. Alabama dominated 11 of the 12 teams it faced.
4. Alabama should be ranked 2nd highest of the three teams
5. Arkansas, by default, should be ranked 3rd highest of the three teams. Arkanasas dominated 5 of the 12 teams it faced.
This post was edited on 11/10/11 at 11:55 am
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