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SEC has had problems with PAC 10 teams
Posted on 12/12/10 at 9:32 am
Posted on 12/12/10 at 9:32 am
As Oregon vs. Auburn approaches I am reminded that I have frequently heard/seen SEC fans opine that the PAC 10 is weak. But if the SEC is strong, it is hard to make the "PAC 10" is weak case using that league's performance against the SEC during the BCS era. The PAC 10 is 12-9 vs. the SEC since the start of the BCS even though the majority of the games involved situations in which SEC teams finished with better records in their own conference than the PAC 10 teams did. Here are some highlights:
There have been three games such that the PAC 10 team and the SEC team had the same conference record. The PAC 10 is 3-0 in those games. The average score is 35-18 PAC 10.
There have been 12 games such that the SEC team finished with a better conference record than the PAC 10 team did. The PAC 10 is 3-8 in those games. The average score is 32-20 SEC.
There have been 7 games such that the PAC 10 team finished with a better conference record than the SEC team did. The PAC 10 is 6-1 in those games. The average score is 37-19 PAC 10.
One interesting matchup was the 2006 USC/Arkansas game. USC went on to finish 7-2 in the PAC 10. Arkansas went on to finish 7-1 during the SEC regular season then lost to Florida in the SEC championship game by 38-28. The game was played at Arkansas. USC won 50-14.
Below are the actual results. The record of each team in its own conference is in parenthesis. * means the SEC team's conference record includes the result of the SEC championship game. Home team underlined. Winning team bold.
Games where teams had equal records in their own conference:
Year 2000 UCLA (3-5) 35, Alabama (3-5) 24
Year 2001 UCLA (4-4) 24, Alabama (4-4) 17
Year 2006 USC (7-2) 50, Arkansas (7-2*) 14
Games where the SEC team finished with the better record in its own conference:
Year 2003 Arizona (1-7) 13, LSU (8-1*) 59
Year 2004 Oregon State (5-3) 21, LSU (6-2) 22
Year 2005 Arizona State (5-3)31, LSU (7-2*) 35
Year 2006 Washington State (4-5), Auburn (6-2) 40
Year 2006 Arizona (4-5)3, LSU (6-2) 45[/b]
Year 2007 [u]California (3-6) 45, Tennessee (6-3*) 31
Year 2008 UCLA (3-6) 27, Tennessee (3-5) 24
Year 2008 Arizona State (4-5) 10, Georgia (6-2)27
Year 2009 Washington 23(4-5) , LSU (5-3) 31
Year 2009 UCLA (3-6) 19, Tennessee (4-4) 15
Year 2009 Arizona State (2-7) 17, Georgia (4-4) 20
Games where the PAC 10 team finished with the better record in its own conference:
Year 2002 Oregon (3-6) 36, Mississippi State (0-8) 13
Year 2002 USC (7-1) 24, Auburn (5-3) 17
Year 2003 Oregon (5-3) 42, Mississippi State (1-7) 34
Year 2003 USC (7-1) 23, Auburn (5-3) 0
Year 2005 USC (8-0) 70, Arkansas (2-6) 17
Year 2006 California (7-2) 18, Tennessee (5-3) 35
Year 2010 Oregon (9-0) 48, Tennessee (3-5) 13
There have been three games such that the PAC 10 team and the SEC team had the same conference record. The PAC 10 is 3-0 in those games. The average score is 35-18 PAC 10.
There have been 12 games such that the SEC team finished with a better conference record than the PAC 10 team did. The PAC 10 is 3-8 in those games. The average score is 32-20 SEC.
There have been 7 games such that the PAC 10 team finished with a better conference record than the SEC team did. The PAC 10 is 6-1 in those games. The average score is 37-19 PAC 10.
One interesting matchup was the 2006 USC/Arkansas game. USC went on to finish 7-2 in the PAC 10. Arkansas went on to finish 7-1 during the SEC regular season then lost to Florida in the SEC championship game by 38-28. The game was played at Arkansas. USC won 50-14.
Below are the actual results. The record of each team in its own conference is in parenthesis. * means the SEC team's conference record includes the result of the SEC championship game. Home team underlined. Winning team bold.
Games where teams had equal records in their own conference:
Year 2000 UCLA (3-5) 35, Alabama (3-5) 24
Year 2001 UCLA (4-4) 24, Alabama (4-4) 17
Year 2006 USC (7-2) 50, Arkansas (7-2*) 14
Games where the SEC team finished with the better record in its own conference:
Year 2003 Arizona (1-7) 13, LSU (8-1*) 59
Year 2004 Oregon State (5-3) 21, LSU (6-2) 22
Year 2005 Arizona State (5-3)31, LSU (7-2*) 35
Year 2006 Washington State (4-5), Auburn (6-2) 40
Year 2006 Arizona (4-5)3, LSU (6-2) 45[/b]
Year 2007 [u]California (3-6) 45, Tennessee (6-3*) 31
Year 2008 UCLA (3-6) 27, Tennessee (3-5) 24
Year 2008 Arizona State (4-5) 10, Georgia (6-2)27
Year 2009 Washington 23(4-5) , LSU (5-3) 31
Year 2009 UCLA (3-6) 19, Tennessee (4-4) 15
Year 2009 Arizona State (2-7) 17, Georgia (4-4) 20
Games where the PAC 10 team finished with the better record in its own conference:
Year 2002 Oregon (3-6) 36, Mississippi State (0-8) 13
Year 2002 USC (7-1) 24, Auburn (5-3) 17
Year 2003 Oregon (5-3) 42, Mississippi State (1-7) 34
Year 2003 USC (7-1) 23, Auburn (5-3) 0
Year 2005 USC (8-0) 70, Arkansas (2-6) 17
Year 2006 California (7-2) 18, Tennessee (5-3) 35
Year 2010 Oregon (9-0) 48, Tennessee (3-5) 13
This post was edited on 12/12/10 at 9:39 am
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Posted on 12/12/10 at 9:35 am to JohnStOnge
LSU 5-0 
Posted on 12/12/10 at 9:39 am to JohnStOnge
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LSU 5-0
and...
bama 0-2
tenn 1-4
arky 0-2
state 0-2
i think these four teams are the peoblem
Posted on 12/12/10 at 9:43 am to ksayetiger
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i think these four teams are the peoblem
The problem is that LSU has played shite teams. Tennessee played this year's Oregon team and DeSean Jackson's Cal teams in 3 of those 5 and Arky played SC in their prime.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 9:46 am to PsychTiger
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LSU 5-0
Since LSU lost to USCw in 79, the Tigers are 11-0 against the PAC10.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 9:54 am to blueridgeTiger
So what you're trying to say is, Tennessee sucks against PAC 10 teams.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 9:54 am to volfan30
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The problem is that LSU has played shite teams. Tennessee played this year's Oregon team and DeSean Jackson's Cal teams in 3 of those 5 and Arky played SC in their prime.
Both Cal and UCLA sucked when UT lost to them.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 9:56 am to JohnStOnge
This is the only SEC victory that really impresses me:
And LSU's win over Oregon State was extremely underwhelming at the time. Only a voodoo hex on their kicker allowed LSU to escape with a win.
But your post makes my case for why it is so important for either LSU or Auburn (preferably Auburn) to lay the wood to Oregon. The Pac 10 needs one marquee win by a non-U$C school over a top 10 SEC team. If Oregon beats Auburn, they will crow long and hard about beating the best the SEC had to offer, the cheaters that even Bama couldn't hold back after Auburn spotted them a 24 point lead. If Oregon manages to beat both Auburn and LSU, we'll NEVER hear the end of it.
Oregon has been scheduling any SEC team they can for years. They had Georgia on the docket for 2015/2016 until Georgia pussed out earlier this year:
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Year 2006 California (7-2) 18, Tennessee (5-3) 35
And LSU's win over Oregon State was extremely underwhelming at the time. Only a voodoo hex on their kicker allowed LSU to escape with a win.
But your post makes my case for why it is so important for either LSU or Auburn (preferably Auburn) to lay the wood to Oregon. The Pac 10 needs one marquee win by a non-U$C school over a top 10 SEC team. If Oregon beats Auburn, they will crow long and hard about beating the best the SEC had to offer, the cheaters that even Bama couldn't hold back after Auburn spotted them a 24 point lead. If Oregon manages to beat both Auburn and LSU, we'll NEVER hear the end of it.
Oregon has been scheduling any SEC team they can for years. They had Georgia on the docket for 2015/2016 until Georgia pussed out earlier this year:
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The cancellation is a move away from Georgia’s philosophy under former athletic director Damon Evans of scheduling high-profile nonconference games in other regions of the country.
Oregon is not undergoing any such policy change, by the way. See a recent contract with LSU in 2011 for a game in Cowboys Stadium.
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This post was edited on 12/12/10 at 9:58 am
Posted on 12/12/10 at 9:58 am to PsychTiger
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LSU 5-0
Yes. But in every case the Tigers were playing teams that finshed with poorer PAC 10 records than LSU's record in the SEC. They played two games against teams that finished with winning records in the PAC 10 (Oregon State and Arizona State each finished at 5-3). LSU finished 6-2 and 7-1 during the SEC regular seasons those years (7-2 after losing the SEC championship game after one of them). Both games were very competetive and could've gone either way. There was no suggestion of substantial LSU superiority; particularly in the Oregon State game that was won because Oregon State's placekicker couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 10:03 am to ksayetiger
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bama 0-2
Post Dubose and UCLA had 7' tall WR's against our 4' DB's. Or so it seemed.
This post was edited on 12/12/10 at 10:03 am
Posted on 12/12/10 at 10:05 am to JohnStOnge
And as someone who was at the LSU/Washington game I can vouch that LSU hardly dominated a Washington team that lost EVERY game the prior season. Losing to that UW team would have been an embarassment of epic proportions.
We've come a long way from 1983 when a top 10 Washington team came to Baton Rouge and got skulldrug by a LSU team that finished 0-6 in the SEC that year. The 0-6 in the SEC part royally sucked but damn it was sweet to lay the wood to a highly touted Pac 10 school and I was there to see it.
We've come a long way from 1983 when a top 10 Washington team came to Baton Rouge and got skulldrug by a LSU team that finished 0-6 in the SEC that year. The 0-6 in the SEC part royally sucked but damn it was sweet to lay the wood to a highly touted Pac 10 school and I was there to see it.
This post was edited on 12/12/10 at 10:06 am
Posted on 12/12/10 at 10:13 am to JohnStOnge
The SEC superiority is vastly overrated. We're a stronger and deeper conference, no doubt, but there's not NEARLY as much disparity as most believe.
I love the "We beat up on each other" like other conferences' in-conference games are not heated too.
I love the "We beat up on each other" like other conferences' in-conference games are not heated too.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 10:49 am to Geauxtiga
yeah, those Boise games got pretty heated
Posted on 12/12/10 at 10:51 am to JohnStOnge
LSU handled its business, dont blame us 
Posted on 12/12/10 at 10:52 am to pdxlsufan
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The 0-6 in the SEC part royally sucked but damn it was sweet to lay the wood to a highly touted Pac 10 school and I was there to see it.
We were there also - being 2-1 after the first three games including that blow out of Washington, we were expecting big things that season. Just was not to be.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 10:58 am to pdxlsufan
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We've come a long way from 1983 when a top 10 Washington team came to Baton Rouge and got skulldrug by a LSU team that finished 0-6 in the SEC that year. The 0-6 in the SEC part royally sucked but damn it was sweet to lay the wood to a highly touted Pac 10 school and I was there to see it.
Because the season ended poorly, that win is forgotten. Tiger Stadium was ROCKIN' that night. It was the largest crowd in school history until the expansion of the new East Upper.
The next year we had the win over Arizona in Tiger Stadium and the big win over eventual PAC-10 champion $C in Los Angeles.
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