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Posted on 12/1/10 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 12/1/10 at 9:30 pm
I thought it was an NCAA violation to talk pay for play with a school? (Cecil did this)
If violation occurred, is player not ineligible?
How was/is cam not ineligible for the entire season?
I understand he was reinstated but I thought a player was ineligible from the time the infraction occured?
If violation occurred, is player not ineligible?
How was/is cam not ineligible for the entire season?
I understand he was reinstated but I thought a player was ineligible from the time the infraction occured?
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Posted on 12/1/10 at 9:31 pm to cfhogs
He would be had he been playing for MSU.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 9:36 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Then why was he ever ineligible for au? If he only would have been ineligible at msu why did auburn make him ineligible and slive make the comments he did?
Posted on 12/1/10 at 9:38 pm to cfhogs
It was a paper formality when the NCAA comes to the school and says a violation has been found. Than they had to say Cam's inelgible, but in the same breath if you will they ask for his reinstatement and based on all their evidence he is found eligible.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 9:38 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Someone has posted a video link to an AP reporter that explains it pretty good.
Here I found the link to the thread
LINK
Here I found the link to the thread
LINK
This post was edited on 12/1/10 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 12/1/10 at 9:41 pm to cfhogs
There is no way the NCAA will leave this as is. Think about all of the chicken shite stuff that players have been declared ineligible over for a game, games, season, or career. Shoes, books, tickets, a coach buying a hamburger for a kid etc. And this guys Dad demands payment??
I'm not saying AU will get in trouble but this aggression will not stand man!
I'm not saying AU will get in trouble but this aggression will not stand man!
Posted on 12/1/10 at 9:44 pm to mikelsu15
Who pee'ed on your rug dude?
Posted on 12/1/10 at 9:44 pm to mikelsu15
quote:But in all those other situations, someone actually got something that was considered an extra benefit. Be it a free burger, free books they weren't entitled to, extra cash, etc.
Think about all of the chicken shite stuff that players have been declared ineligible over for a game, games, season, or career. Shoes, books, tickets, a coach buying a hamburger for a kid etc. And this guys Dad demands payment??
In this case, as far as we know, neither Cam nor anyone else received anything. It was asked for but not ever received.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 9:45 pm to PJinAtl
I thought that solicitation alone was a violation
Posted on 12/1/10 at 9:45 pm to cfhogs
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Who pee'ed on your rug dude?
I'm glad someone is paying attention out there.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 9:45 pm to mikelsu15
I don't believe that anyone has ever been declared ineligible just for soliciting money.
Edit: Until now, for one day.
Edit: Until now, for one day.
This post was edited on 12/1/10 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 12/1/10 at 9:50 pm to audodger
It is against SEC rules to solicit money. Not only are u ineligible to play for the school you solicit, you are ineligible to play for any other SEC school. It's in the bylaws... sad that SEC won't enforce it's on rules in this case.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 9:52 pm to cfhogs
quote:Aparently not, at least according to today's ruling.
I thought that solicitation alone was a violation
Based on what has been posted for the last couple of weeks, coupled with the ruling today and the statement from the SEC to the Clarion Ledger, it appears (to me) that solicitation makes one ineligible with regard only to the school that was solicited. For said student athlete to be ineligible at all schools there has to be an agreement on the extra benefits.
Basicly (again my take on what has been said the last few weeks and today) I can go to my neighbor down the street who is an Auburn booster and ask him for $100,000 to get my kid to play baseball at Auburn. As soon as I do that, my kid in ineligible to play for AU, but can still go to any of the other 11 SEC schools and play. If my neighbor were to agree to the suggestion (even though no money changes hands) my kid would be ineligible to play at not only Auburn, but every school in the SEC. However, he could still play somewhere else like Georgia Tech or Texas, dependant of course on those conference bylaws.
Of course this is all predicated on the student-athlete not knowing about any of these discussions.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 9:54 pm to PJinAtl
Incorrect.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 9:55 pm to PJinAtl
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But in all those other situations, someone actually got something that was considered an extra benefit. Be it a free burger, free books they weren't entitled to, extra cash, etc.
In this case, as far as we know, neither Cam nor anyone else received anything. It was asked for but not ever received.
Baloney. Cecil got the services of an agent. Was Kenny doing it for free?
Posted on 12/1/10 at 9:58 pm to PJinAtl
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Of course this is all predicated on the student-athlete not knowing about any of these discussions.
That doesn't pass the "spirit" smell.
19.10.3.4
"The Commissioner has the duty and power to investigate the validity of violations and impose penalties and sanctions against member institutions, their athletic staff members or student-athletes, for practices and conduct which violate the spirit, as well as the letter of NCAA and SEC rules and regulations. This shall include the ability to render prospective student-athletes or current student-athletes ineligible for competition due to their involvement in a violation of NCAA or SEC rules that occurs during the individual's recruitment. The Commissioner also has the authority to suspend institutional staff members from participation in recruiting activities or participation in practice and/or competition due to their involvement in violations of NCAA or SEC rules."
Posted on 12/1/10 at 10:03 pm to arty
quote:But what did that gain him? Nothing. Unless Rogers got Cam to AU (which he has said he had no communication with Auburn wrt Cam) Cecil nor anyone else saw a benefit from said dealing.
Baloney. Cecil got the services of an agent. Was Kenny doing it for free?
As for the smell test, is that bylaw (which was just added this year) not a discretionary thing for the commissioner? It is kinda like interpreting the US Constitution, one person may see it one way, another sees it differently.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 10:08 pm to PJinAtl
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But what did that gain him? Nothing. Unless Rogers got Cam to AU (which he has said he had no communication with Auburn wrt Cam) Cecil nor anyone else saw a benefit from said dealing.
As matter of fact Cecil acted as an agent for Cam also. Does Cecil give any aid to Cam while he's at the Barn?
The smell test is right there for anybody to read it. Slive is just ducking his responsibilities because he wants a payday.
This post was edited on 12/1/10 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 12/1/10 at 10:11 pm to arty
quote:Honestly I have no idea of the Newton's financial situation, nor do I know what expenses an Auburn athletic scholarship covers.
Does Cecil give any aid to Cam while he's at the Barn?
I really doubt many people, regardless of school affiliation, on this site or otherwise can tell you how much a certain player on their team is supported (fiscally or otherwise) by said player's family.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 10:18 pm to cfhogs
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I thought that solicitation alone was a violation
According to this, it is:
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14.01.3.2 Financial Aid. If at any time before or after matriculation in a member institution a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive, directly or indirectly, any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference (except such aid or assistance as such student-athlete may receive from those persons on whom the student is naturally or legally dependent for support), such student-athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career.
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