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Florida Fans and LSU fans unite...

Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:00 pm
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26970 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:00 pm
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To whom it may concern:

Although I love the rivalry that has grown between LSU and Florida this decade as both schools have dominated this conference over the course of the decade and the game itself has at times “propelled” both schools to national title appearances, the time has come for change to the SEC's philosophy and policy on permanent cross-division opponents. With the emergence of Ole Miss and Alabama from the doormat of the conference, the current method of scheduling is no longer feasible and is simply put, unfair.

Unfortunately, the other 10 schools are completely content with the SEC's system, and I can see why. For Alabama-Tennessee and Georgia-Auburn, it is a matter of preserving tradition, which I respect. As for the other six schools opposed to change, it’s simply a matter of them being the beneficiaries of a softer conference schedule. Take one gander at Alabama and Ole Miss' 2009 SEC schedules and it's easy to see that not getting to the SECCG would be inexcusable for both schools (unfortunately, one or both will not make it). (See Alabama 2009 Schedule and Ole Miss 2009 Schedule)

As an LSU fan, I love playing Florida every year and it has certainly become one of the Top3 "marquee" games in college football each year and the game is certainly great for the SEC as it has a huge national appeal, but it is unfortunate that Florida and LSU are the two schools that get the raw end of the deal relative to the conference's scheduling across divisions.

Let me offer two solutions that I’m sure you guys have discussed, but have yet to implement due to resistance from the member institutions. The time has come for change, and while we as fans are willing to compromise a little in the interest of preserving tradition, nonetheless change must be implemented very soon or the competitive balance and fairness of the league will eventually suffer.

Solution #1
There should be no cross-division permanent opponent, simple as that. You should play three teams from the other division one year, and the remaining three teams from the other division the following year. Then, you do it all over again with the venue changed home/away. Every team gets a chance to play every other team in the other division every other year. No team ever goes over two years without playing each and every SEC team. No SEC player ever plays four years at a school and does not make a trip to Death Valley or Bryant Denny or The Swamp or Between the Hedges. Every team plays every other SEC team every other year.

For example, if LSU plays Florida at home this year, Georgia on the road this year, and Vanderbilt at home this year, then NEXT YEAR LSU will play South Carolina, Tennessee, and Kentucky. The FOLLOWING YEAR LSU will play at Florida, home against Georgia, and at Vanderbilt. The LAST SEASON of the rotation, LSU plays USC, Tenn, and Kentucky again with the venue flipped.


Solution #2
If Alabama-Tennessee and Georgia-Auburn really want to keep those games locked to preserve tradition, then keep those two games locked, but let the rest of the SEC rotate. Give those four schools the option to "opt out" if that game being played every year as opposed to the game being played every other year is so important to those schools. If those two particular games are the big holdupt to change, then we as fans will compromise and concede, allowing them to keep those games and let the rest of us play on a level playing field and with more equitable scheduling practices.



I know this topic comes up annually at the SEC meetings, but the time has come to implement change. Most schools have no problem with it, but I felt an email was necessary from me, an LSU fan, to let my displeasure in the current system known. I know that I am not alone in my beliefs on this topic.





Thanks for your time in considering this topic, and also thank you for all you do for the conference!

Geaux Tigers!


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Article about SEC Scheduling

STILL GOING AT IT

The six permanent cross-divisional matchups in SEC football:

Alabama vs. Tennessee

The Crimson Tide lead the series 46-38-7, having won the past two games by a combined 70-26. The Volunteers were dominant from 1995 to ’2004, losing once in 10 meetings.

Arkansas vs. South Carolina


The SEC’s newest teams had never met before joining the league in 1992. In the 17 meetings since, the Razorbacks hold a 10-7 advantage.

Auburn vs. Georgia


Auburn’s Tigers lead the Deep South’s oldest rivalry 53-51-8, but the Bulldogs are riding their first three-game series win streak since Herschel Walker was tailback.

LSU vs. Florida

Florida holds a 29-23-3 series lead and won every meeting but one from 1988 to 2001. The teams have combined to win the past three BCS national titles.

Ole Miss vs. Vanderbilt

Ole Miss leads the series 46-35-2, but the Commodores have won three of the last four meetings. They first played in 1894 and have met annually since 1970.

Mississippi State vs. Kentucky

Kentucky leads the series 21-15, with the teams splitting the past 10 matchups. These two programs were not annual foes until 1990.



This post was edited on 9/15/09 at 1:12 pm
Posted by okietiger
Chelsea F.C. Fan
Member since Oct 2005
41904 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:06 pm to
I have never understand this locked game.

Absolutely screws the loser. SEC now accustomed to all the

it brings in. Probably ain't going to change for awhile.
Posted by RedElephants
Pittsburgh Steelers Fan
Member since Feb 2009
8126 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:09 pm to
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simply put, unfair


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Bama 2009 Sched...


Its not our fault the whole SEC sucked arse last year. Our schedule was tough preseason with a neutral site game with Clemson, road games at UGA, UT, LSU.

This season is a much needed break since next season we play Penn St, Florida, UT (road), LSU (road) etc.

Quit crying like a little bitch and let them play football.
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26970 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:12 pm to


There is no argument against the permanent cross-division opponent philosophy of the SEC other than to preserve the Alabama-Tennessee rivalry and the Auburn-Georgia rivalry.

Other than that, it is unfair, and you know it. But, and I'm just guessing here, I bet you didn't even know what the SEC's scheduling policy was until you read this post.
Posted by okietiger
Chelsea F.C. Fan
Member since Oct 2005
41904 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:12 pm to
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Quit crying like a little bitch and let them play football.



We'll gladly take Tennessee off your hands. Think you would have beat Florida even once in the last decade if they had been your lock? Hmmm, doubt it.

Posted by RedElephants
Pittsburgh Steelers Fan
Member since Feb 2009
8126 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:15 pm to
Didn't hear you guys complain while Zook was roaming the sidelines in Gainesville.
This post was edited on 9/14/09 at 10:17 pm
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26970 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:17 pm to
Umm, I have complained about this since Day 1. It's not fair, there's no other way around it.

The reason it remains in place is because the only two schools that are opposed to it are LSU and Florida. They get out-voted 10-2 every time this issue is discussed at the SEC meetings.
This post was edited on 9/14/09 at 10:18 pm
Posted by bamawriter
Nashville, TN
Member since Apr 2009
3226 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:18 pm to
If LSU actually had any legit rivalries they might have been able to lock up someone other than Florida.

Any change that would interrupt the Alabama-Tennessee series, or the UGA-Auburn series, would be completely retarded.
This post was edited on 9/14/09 at 10:20 pm
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26970 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:20 pm to
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Any change that would interrupt the Alabama-Tennessee series, or the UGA-Auburn series, would be completely retarded.


And there-in lies the problem. I respect the rivalries you guys have (as tradition is what makes the SEC) ... BUT ...

There should be no cross-division permanent opponent, simple as that.

You should play three teams from the other division one year, and the other three teams from the other division the next year.

Then, you do it all over again with the venue changed home/away.

Every team gets a chance to play every other team in the conference in each two year span. No team ever goes over two years without playing each and every SEC team. No SEC player ever plays four years at a school and does not make a trip to Death Valley or Bryant Denny or The Swamp or Between the Hedges.



For example, if LSU plays Florida at home this year, Georgia on the road this year, and Vanderbilt at home this year, then NEXT YEAR LSU will play South Carolina, Tennessee, and Kentucky. The FOLLOWING YEAR LSU will play at Florida, home against Georgia, and at Vanderbilt. The LAST SEASON of the rotation, LSU plays USC, Tenn, and Kentucky again with the venue flipped.
This post was edited on 9/14/09 at 10:27 pm
Posted by okietiger
Chelsea F.C. Fan
Member since Oct 2005
41904 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:21 pm to
Yeah since the Zook-coached Gators are the standard in Gainesville. Genius.
Posted by okietiger
Chelsea F.C. Fan
Member since Oct 2005
41904 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:24 pm to
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If LSU actually had any legit rivalries they might have been able to lock up someone other than Florida. Any change that would interrupt the Alabama-Tennessee series, or the UGA-Auburn series, would be completely retarded


Then let those games be locked and let all the other teams rotate games.

And if you can't see that forcing the best team from the west and east over the last decade to play each other is unfair and retarded than you must be a...oh wait you're a Bama fan. Forgot, logic and multiple syllable words mean nothing to you.
Posted by BT4LSU
Could be Anywhere, at Anytime
Member since Feb 2005
3278 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:25 pm to
I actually thought about this a good bit. The permanent schedule actually hurts us, and UF,
sometimes. Bama and UT as well-- it's just that either team has been down lately.

Thanks to the boys at ESPN, even Vanderbilt will make more than just about every non SEC school in football revenue this year, including Notre Dame. and for the forseeable future.

Truth is, the SEC no longer needs the rest of the college football mayhem. The money is no longer an issue.

So...since it's no longer about the money, just image if the SEC went to a SIX game SEC schedule, 5 divisional opponets and rotating one team from the other division every four years. The remaining six games could consist of the normal two rent a wins, and one destruction each of a team from, say,a combination from the Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, ACC, and Pac 10.


It's very possible you'd have two unbeaten SEC teams playing for a NC every year, and multiple SEC teams in the NC picture every year.

Might be the only way we can get a true playoff.
Posted by bamawriter
Nashville, TN
Member since Apr 2009
3226 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:28 pm to
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There should be no cross-division permanent opponent, simple as that.


You are as wrong as you can be, simple as that.

Yeah, it sucks that you get Florida every year, but that doesn't make it unfair. When Tennessee was trouncing Alabama for the better part of a decade, no Bama fans were screaming that the schedule was unfair.

Tradition matters. The Alabama-Tennessee series has determined more SEC Champions than any other pairing. The Auburn-Georgia series is the longest-running series in the SEC. To disrupt either simply because LSU and Florida don't want the burden of playing each other every year is completely ridiculous; to suggest doing so makes you a whiner.
Posted by TheBob
Metairie
Member since Jun 2005
16963 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:29 pm to
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Didn't hear you guys complain while Zook was roaming the sidelines in Gainesville.


Beat Saban.
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26970 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:30 pm to
No one is suggesting that BAma and Tennessee or Auburn and Georgia stop playing, so I'm not sure what your point is. If the solution was for Bama and Tennessee to only play once every five years, I would understand your concern. But, again, no one is suggesting that.

If you think this system is fair, then you're simply blind. It's obviously unfair, Mike Slive as well as Roy Kramer have admitted so themselves on numerous occasions.

The one hold back is the rivalries, and my solution keeps those rivalries alive and thriving while implementing competitive fairness ... only someone stuck in the mud so to speak would think differently. There's really no debate here. Everyone knows it's unfair, but everyone has conceded a little fairness over the years to keep some truly great rivalries in tact.
This post was edited on 9/14/09 at 10:37 pm
Posted by RedElephants
Pittsburgh Steelers Fan
Member since Feb 2009
8126 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:31 pm to
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When Tennessee was trouncing Alabama for the better part of a decade, no Bama fans were screaming that the schedule was unfair.


This.

There is a reason there is only a select few Tiger fans bitching in this thread. Lots of moaning and groaning going on in this thread and many of the Tiger fans not scared of competition are not joining the pity party.


Posted by Crimsonpanther13
Somewhere in Avoyelles Parish
Member since Oct 2008
7255 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:31 pm to
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Take one gander at Alabama and Ole Miss' schedule and it's easy to see why it would be an epic fail if either team did not wind up in Atlanta. With their 2009 schedules, not getting to the SECCG would be inexcusable.


So, as long as Bama and Ole Miss both play well, then both will go to ATL? Sweet. I like our chances much better with Cody AND Hardy on the D-line. Snead, Mccluster, Ingram, and Julio all on the same offense. Hell, we'd probably have no problems with UF.
Posted by Lieutenant Dan
Euthanasia, USA
Member since Jan 2009
7995 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:31 pm to
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Think you would have beat Florida even once in the last decade if they had been your lock? Hmmm, doubt it.


Not sure about the lock part, but we did skull-frick them 4 years ago. fwiw, just sayin.
Posted by bamawriter
Nashville, TN
Member since Apr 2009
3226 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:32 pm to
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And if you can't see that forcing the best team from the west and east over the last decade


This wasn't the case when divisional play started, and it won't be the case forever. Things go in cycles. Trust me, UF didn't give a crap about playing LSU when divisional play began.
Posted by okietiger
Chelsea F.C. Fan
Member since Oct 2005
41904 posts
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:35 pm to
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It's very possible you'd have two unbeaten SEC teams playing for a NC every year, and multiple SEC teams in the NC picture every year.


Exactly. We're shooting ourselves in the foot. Makes zero sense.

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You are as wrong as you can be, simple as that.


Great way to defend your point. Idiot.

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Yeah, it sucks that you get Florida every year, but that doesn't make it unfair. When Tennessee was trouncing Alabama for the better part of a decade, no Bama fans were screaming that the schedule was unfair.


You are either nine years old or just started following the Gumps once the Saban train arrived to town. (Wouldn't be surprised if this was the case) I heard TONS of Bammers cryin' to the high heavens about this locked game. Hell since 2002, we have a winning record against the Gators. You're missing the point completely.

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Tradition matters. The Alabama-Tennessee series has determined more SEC Champions than any other pairing. The Auburn-Georgia series is the longest-running series in the SEC. To disrupt either simply because LSU and Florida don't want the burden of playing each other every year is completely ridiculous; to suggest doing so makes you a whiner.


Then let those two games be locked and let the other 8 teams rotate. If it has to be, make it this way. Silly for everyone else to have to bow to this tradition. That's bullshite.
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