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re: "No Competetive Advantage" = bullshite
Posted on 6/11/09 at 11:06 am to NATidefan
Posted on 6/11/09 at 11:06 am to NATidefan
IF they did not have to PAY for the books like the rest of us than they made MONEY by not SPENDING MONEY on the books. Yes it is semantics but don't insult my intelligence and others by thinking they made no money.
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Posted on 6/11/09 at 11:11 am to bubbalove
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IF they did not have to PAY for the books like the rest of us than they made MONEY by not SPENDING MONEY on the books. Yes it is semantics but don't insult my intelligence and others by thinking they made no money.
Tell me that your not that stupid.
You do realize that books are part of a full ride scholarship don't you?
Posted on 6/11/09 at 11:15 am to GOBAMA90
Student: "damn dude, I can't afford the $50 for this book we need."
Bama Athlete: "Naw dawg! You ain't need to worry bout dat. I can haz it fo you for $20."
and there you have it.
Bama Athlete: "Naw dawg! You ain't need to worry bout dat. I can haz it fo you for $20."
and there you have it.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 11:17 am to pankReb
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and there you have it.
your facts aren't really there
Posted on 6/11/09 at 11:19 am to ksayetiger
from my understanding, athletes were getting books for other players.
Are you telling me that all of them refused to accept a reduced amount of cash for those books. Something like "hey, i can get that for you for less"
Are you telling me that all of them refused to accept a reduced amount of cash for those books. Something like "hey, i can get that for you for less"
Posted on 6/11/09 at 11:21 am to pankReb
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Are you telling me that all of them refused to accept a reduced amount of cash for those books.
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How many times do we have to explain to you morons that they didn't sell the books, they just got them for friends. The NCAA investigated this part closely and found that no money was made on the situation, the books were simply loaned to friends.
i'm just going by this
Posted on 6/11/09 at 11:21 am to GOBAMA90
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You do realize that books are part of a full ride scholarship don't you?
Books are part of a full ride scholarship. Apparetnly the people that the "extra" books were given to were not on "full rides". They would have been required to PAY for their books, otherwise there would have been no need for the athletes intervention. Due to the intervention of the atheletes, they were not required to pay for books. They stole books, and the atheletes helped them.
If the numbers given out to the athletes were not tracked (as is alledged), all were not required to be returned. Your argument that they had to be returned fails because distribution was not tracked.
This is a minor infraction, but take the Big Red Glasses off for a moment and realize that these athletes got something of value that violated the rules. It is akin to being paid.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 11:24 am to Sid in Lakeshore
I still promise you that many of them made a little bit of pocket change for those books. Too many "strapped-for-cash" college students to not try and make a few extra dollars.....
And quoting a post on SECRant as a source really isn't making a good arguement.
And quoting a post on SECRant as a source really isn't making a good arguement.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 11:31 am to GOBAMA90
You are soooo naive.
Nobody made any money. 
Then why pray tell did they do it? Oh, so the ncaa did not find any money being made. 
Don't let your homerism jade you dude. It's okay.
Nobody made any money. Then why pray tell did they do it? Oh, so the ncaa did not find any money being made. Don't let your homerism jade you dude. It's okay.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 11:33 am to pankReb
Yeah and we are supposed to believe you just because you "promise" that they made money off of it? Sure. Just because you think it happened doesn't mean it did.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 12:07 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
That's been the bama spin from the get go. They want to make it seem like it was just some extra books. I have only seen one reporter actually do his job and do some investigating on this matter. Someone wrote an article on al.com that outlined the total value of the books handed out by the bookstore to the kids on atheletic scolly and showed how during "book gate" the university bill for textbooks handed out to these kids went up about $100K from previous years. Even if the books are sold back at a 33% discount, it stands to reason that these 200 or so atheletes that were involved pocketed about $33K.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 12:10 pm to bamaboy87
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Just because you think it happened doesn't mean it did.
Just because you don't think it happened doesn't mean it didn't.
With my expertise as a career student, i can tell you that just shy of everyone wants to earn a few more quick bucks while they are in college.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 12:15 pm to pankReb
It is a lack of institutional control. no more, no less. is ti a big deal, no. should they get a real penalty, yes.
if these kids would get paid a little, this would not happen. But the billion dollar ncaa won't allow the product they make money on, to get some money. f'ing ridiculous
if these kids would get paid a little, this would not happen. But the billion dollar ncaa won't allow the product they make money on, to get some money. f'ing ridiculous
Posted on 6/11/09 at 12:18 pm to EasyE
As cliche as it sounds, I still believe that they are getting paid. Look at how much it costs to go to college now and they are getting that free.
It's indirect, but they are getting paid.
It's indirect, but they are getting paid.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 12:46 pm to pankReb
Bama either had players in certain sports (not just football) violate probation or they did not. This question is a yes or no. If yes they deserve the maximum allowable penalty for breaking probation (not the minimal violation committed) Ive said before that the NCAA's probation is just a made up word. Nothing was ever going to happen.
What is pathetic is so many bama fan acceptance of any violations, no matter how minor or in any team, while on probation. They really dont care if they cheat just as long as they dont get caught or so it seems.
What is pathetic is so many bama fan acceptance of any violations, no matter how minor or in any team, while on probation. They really dont care if they cheat just as long as they dont get caught or so it seems.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 12:52 pm to XbengalTiger
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Even if the books are sold back at a 33% discount, it stands to reason that these 200 or so atheletes that were involved pocketed about $33K.
Maybe I'm stupid, but why would the school "buy" back books from athletes given free on scholarship, wouldn't it stand to reason they are turned back in and not sold back by the athletes?
Posted on 6/11/09 at 12:57 pm to Alahunter
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Maybe I'm stupid, but why would the school "buy" back books from athletes given free on scholarship, wouldn't it stand to reason they are turned back in and not sold back by the athletes?
They do have to turn them back in.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 1:00 pm to arwicklu
I know.. the other poster said they sell them back, I was pointing out that they don't sell back what they were "given", therefore the University didn't pay them or help them "pocket" $33K.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 1:04 pm to Alahunter
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I know.. the other poster said they sell them back, I was pointing out that they don't sell back what they were "given", therefore the University didn't pay them or help them "pocket" $33K.
It's obviously not that big an issue. It didn't help recruiting or performance on the field. It was a problem for the University for wasted resources.
Anyone crying was just hoping that Bama would be slammed. They're the same people that put pins in their Saban voodoo doll every morning after they finish their Wheaties.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 2:15 pm to MoreOrLes
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They really dont care if they cheat just as long as they dont get caught or so it seems.
Nobody cheated.
And I DO care. I don't like the shite we have gotten into in recent years. But everyone cheats. Yes, even LSU has cheated before i'm sure. Y'all just never got caught. I do not approve of cheating, but if you're going to be stupid enough to do it, be smart enough not to get caught.
But this case had nothing to do with cheating anyway.
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