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re: Ranking SEC Recruiting Staffs
Posted on 5/23/09 at 9:59 pm to BT4LSU
Posted on 5/23/09 at 9:59 pm to BT4LSU
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We already know that 1/3 of Bama's so called recruiting class is already gone.
You said this in reference to the 2008 recruiting class... just for the record 5 of 32 isn't close to 1/3.
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Anyway, the point is obvious. Note that LSU and
Florida never oversign.
Bama always does.
LSU and Florida don't have to oversign, they already have more than enough talent to compete on a national level. By comparison Bama didn't have nearly the same talent level and Saban did the smart thing by bringing in as much top level talent as possible. You guys always assume that he's doing this to win recruiting national titles and not to bring Bama to the same level as LSU & Florida. What do you want him to do? Put in a 5 year plan and recruit 17-25 players a year all in the name of being honorable... actually you probably do. At some point the talent at Bama will be comparable to just about every other program at the top and the signing classes will be around 20-25 and then we can claim that Saban is righteous and holy for not oversigning. That's what you're doing for Miles and you're pretending that the fact that Miles inherited a loaded program has nothing to do with it.
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Since he has been there, Saban has recruited 84 Bama players--- total average 3.63
Counting Saban's first recruiting class is misleading. He signed them, they're his players but to act like his 1 month of recruiting is a fair representation of his abilities vs. Meyer and Miles is dumb.
His past two classes = 59 players at an avg. of 3.76
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Miles and LSU since Saban showed up? In LSU's case, try 76 players and a average of[b] 3.753 In fact, LSU's three (3) year average of 3.753 is almost identical to Bama's two #1 classes 3.765.
Again to be fair going by the past two years Miles classes = 50 players at an avg. of 3.68
Meyer on the other hand is off the charts but to be fair it has to be a 1000x more appealing as an 18yr old to go to Florida than any other SEC school.
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Posted on 5/23/09 at 11:10 pm to Expert
I see it has already been argued, but Alabama gets too much credit. Signing a ton of kids gives them a high ranking, but it doesn't make you the top recruiters.
I'm also not a believer than Tennessee will bring in anything special.
I'm also not a believer than Tennessee will bring in anything special.
Posted on 5/23/09 at 11:41 pm to Expert
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Meyer on the other hand is off the charts but to be fair it has to be a 1000x more appealing as an 18yr old to go to Florida than any other SEC school.
Not me. UF & LSU were my final choices many years ago !
Besides the normal help he gets from Rivals ,
Saban ( and Rivals ) fully understands the hype
that goes w/these rankings. # 1 is important in getting other recruits. It makes Saban seem iresistible.
Several other factors about Saban. He turns programs around but not to the degree he is given credit!
Saban would have never come to LSU or Bama had they not had a lot of talent in place ! Why is Saban being given credit for a # 1 2008 Rivals class when they have already lowered it to a # 2 enrolled classs ( should have been lowered even more according to their own assessments ) ! Also why isn't Saban given the negstive credit for leaving Miles w/only 13 spots available when he went to Miami ? Miles came in and rescued the ranking some by signing 5 star Periloux ( who didn't like Saban ) Saban class would have had a hard time breaking the top 30! His 1st class at Bamma , # 10 in Rivals was about 10 spots higher than any other service.
If you figure all of this in to consideration , Saban is on average a good top 10 recruiter ,
not a great top 5 average recruiter. Unless you believe the hype !
Posted on 5/24/09 at 1:29 am to Expert
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Counting Saban's first recruiting class is misleading. He signed them, they're his players but to act like his 1 month of recruiting is a fair representation of his abilities vs. Meyer and Miles is dumb.
I talked about this on the recruiting board a week ago. Miles and Saban are basically equal in recruting going by their last 4 recruiting classes(this disreagards Saban's first Bama class). Miles actually averages a better class than Saban recruited at LSU(since 2002).
The over signing at Bama is alarming their last 4 classes are like 32,25,32, and 27. The only way to make that work is to kick people off and force people to transfer which IMO is wrong. Bama has to sign a small class next year and if they don't I feel something is up.
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