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In 1996 Lou Holtz turned down the Independence Bowl after going 8-3
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:28 am
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:28 am
Notre Dame pussying out of Bowl games is nothing new. This is the soy boy culture that has always run the program over there. Avoid all competition and declare themselves ripped off or champions when they can.
In 1996 Lou Holtz and the team turned down the Independence Bowl vs Auburn because they thought they were too good for it.
Between 1925-1970 they refused to go to bowl games as well due to their snobbness.
The bowl system was strong before Notre Dame decided they would go to some bowl games and it will be fine without Notre Dame. Those idiots won't be the the ones that change the system. It will be the leaders that bend over to take every drop ND gives them.
Its unbelievable that this sport bends over backwards for a school that hasn't won a title since 1988 but here we are. They even have a MOU for next year that if they are close to the top 12 they are automatically in the playoffs. Just a soft program and an embarrassment to the sport. Hopefully they dissolve this program soon.
In 1996 Lou Holtz and the team turned down the Independence Bowl vs Auburn because they thought they were too good for it.
Between 1925-1970 they refused to go to bowl games as well due to their snobbness.
The bowl system was strong before Notre Dame decided they would go to some bowl games and it will be fine without Notre Dame. Those idiots won't be the the ones that change the system. It will be the leaders that bend over to take every drop ND gives them.
Its unbelievable that this sport bends over backwards for a school that hasn't won a title since 1988 but here we are. They even have a MOU for next year that if they are close to the top 12 they are automatically in the playoffs. Just a soft program and an embarrassment to the sport. Hopefully they dissolve this program soon.
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:42 am to The Winner
Ironically, Notre Dame accepted the Independence Bowl’s invitation the following season (1997, Bob Davie’s first year) and got stomped by LSU.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:45 am to Gnash
My guess is they knew Terry Bowden and Auburn were gonna destroy them as well so they bowed out.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:50 am to Gnash
quote:Double ironically, Notre Dame accepted a Cotton Bowl bid in 1970 (following the 69 season) after not playing in bowls for years. LSU, with one loss to Ole Miss was sitting and waiting on the Cotton Bowl as probably the national championship bowl, as turned out they were right. LSU stayed home. Texas and Notre Dame played for the NC which Texas won.
Ironically, Notre Dame accepted the Independence Bowl’s invitation the following season (1997, Bob Davie’s first year) and got stomped by LSU.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:02 am to The Winner
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In 1996 Lou Holtz turned down the Independence Bowl after going 8-3
That is complete and total unmitigated bullshite.
I interviewed Lou in 2000 and that was one of the questions that I asked him about because SC was coming off his first season, winless, and Clemson had started a rumor that Lou wouldn't go to a lesser bowl if he somehow turned SC around and managed six wins.
Lou had zero say so in that decision. Matter of fact, he was already gone (from ND) when that decision was made and he was furious that the school denied his players a post season experience. (There were not as many bowls at the time.)
I even reached out to ND's AD and President at the time (in 2000) and, while neither returned my calls, their SID called me and stated, and I paraphrase, that decision makers and board members were adverse to allowing Notre Dame to playi in anything less than a major New Year's Day bowl, at the time ... and that it had been a mistake not to do so.
I went back to Lou and played the tape for him and he said, "be sure to include that in the article Rooster." Which I did.
Lou had absolutely nothing to do with that decision. Lou was all about the bowl experience and winning bowls ... no matter what bowl it was.
He went on to beat Ohio State the next two post seasons at SC. He beat Cooper (his last year) and Tressel (his first year) at OSU.
Lou's most famous bowl is probably the Catholics vs the Convicts game. He had suspended four starters for violating team rules ... and still beat the Convicts.
Lou loved the bowl game experience.
Your subject line is total hogwash.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:13 am to Gnash
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got stomped by LSU
I was there
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:16 am to scrooster
...and then you woke up and your dream was over. Yawn.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:17 am to The Winner
What bowl game did Notre Dame just turn down? Does anyone know?
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:20 am to hogcard1964
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What bowl game did Notre Dame just turn down? Does anyone know?
Pop Tarts Bowl against BYU.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:27 am to rojak
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...and then you woke up and your dream was over. Yawn.
You must be living a very sad little life, young man.
Get off the Internet and go try to make something out of yourself, while you still have the time.
It goes by fast. Go live your own experiences.
I wish you well.
Regards
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:29 am to scrooster
Holtz is a good man. Heard him speak out against abortion and call Biden out over it
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:30 am to The Winner
Like I said yesterday, they have a pattern. Very consistent one too.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:30 am to GreatPumpkin
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:32 am to The Winner
Joe Kines was the Hero of the Independence Bowl He is still trying to stop that inside trap.
Salute to Joe.
Salute to Joe.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:39 am to GreatPumpkin
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Holtz is a good man. Heard him speak out against abortion and call Biden out over it
He's an incredible human being with an incredible life story. And he's done a lot of good in his life ... for a lot of people. One of the most generous men I've ever known. Dry witted ... great sense of humor.
Unfortunately, he's waning ... he's missing Mrs Beth. I think it’s tougher on him during the holiday season.
We'll miss him when his time finally comes. He'll be buried at Notre Dame ... he loves that place.
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