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Can someone please school Grubb on effing hot routes?

Posted on 11/16/25 at 10:29 am
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11761 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 10:29 am
Our genius OC has no effing clue how to defeat continuous blitzing by the opposing defense. We’re trying to either stick with the designated play or dump it off on a WR screen or a throw back to a WR/TE on the opposite side of the field. That and screens are his only apparent answer to blitzes. And it’s not working very well.

Alabama used to make a living and torch teams that wanted to blitz repeatedly. Bryce and Mack would slice and dice a blitzing defense with hot routes that were quick slants and shallow crosses that were wide open where the blitzing backers just came from. It’s not rocket science. Can someone please show Grub how it works and quit being a stupid idiot?
This post was edited on 11/16/25 at 10:31 am
Posted by Bamafan24
Huntsville
Member since Oct 2014
8894 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 10:46 am to
I miss when we stacked 2 receivers on each side earlier in the year. I feel like the schemes have gotten easier for defense to defend. Plus Ty doesnt know how to throw the ball away
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
19052 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 10:52 am to
Wasn't the slant that was a pick 6 a hot route?
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
25963 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 10:55 am to
That pick six was a hot route to Horton well thrown and Horton was clearly interfered with. Go look at it he was grabbed from behind his route was interrupted and the ball was a full yard in front of him.

No call that cost us dearly.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
19052 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 10:58 am to
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That pick six was a hot route to Horton well thrown


Horton was never reaching that fast ball. It was inaccurate and wide.

He shouldn't have even threw it to Horton as the safety didn't even bother to go backward and immediately stepped forward because he had no fear Ty would throw deep.

The accurate read on that play was Cuevas who crossed the safety's face and had an open field on that right side.


Again, I speak about the film and what actually occurred. If you can refute that, please do
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
25963 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 11:01 am to
I looked at it and Horton never had a chance to reach it. His route was interrupted clear PI.if nothing else it was holding.
This post was edited on 11/16/25 at 11:03 am
Posted by Doug Heffernan
Member since Aug 2017
739 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 11:02 am to
The issue was the missed blocking assignment at RG and RT. OU timed it up perfectly.

Show me a picture with Cuevas open.

Ty should have just ate the sack. Live to fight another down.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
25963 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 11:23 am to
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OU takes it 87 yards for pick-six vs. Bama
LINK

Stop it when the DB makes contact with the receiver. You make the call. Holding for sure and PI likely.
This post was edited on 11/16/25 at 11:25 am
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
19052 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 11:31 am to
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The issue was the missed blocking assignment at RG and RT. OU timed it up perfectly.


There wasn't a missed assignment. It was a missed blocking call on the line. Ty already admitted he didn't see the the blitz pre-snap so didn't set up the blocking.

The RB released on a route because of this

So we had 2 blocking 3 defenders and the inside came through untouched.


quote:

Show me a picture with Cuevas open.


Re-watch the play, Cuevas clears the LB and is open for an accurate ball right over the top.

That is the right read.
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
21835 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 11:33 am to
Yeah, the db is grabbing Horton. He crashes into him and wraps his arm over Hortons arms so he can't reach
This post was edited on 11/16/25 at 11:35 am
Posted by Doug Heffernan
Member since Aug 2017
739 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 11:40 am to
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There wasn't a missed assignment. It was a missed blocking call on the line


It’s semantics. Ty or Brailsford could have made the call. It was more of a credit to OU for timing it up.

My point was just the ball shouldn’t have been thrown at all. Still a poor decision by Ty either way.

If you expect Ty to make that throw to Cuevas down the middle with a blitzer in his lap then he must have some Tua type anticipation. Cuevas is not the “hot” route anyways. The back is and he’s covered.


This post was edited on 11/16/25 at 11:44 am
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
21835 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 11:51 am to
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My point was just the ball shouldn’t have been thrown at all. Still a poor decision by Ty either way.

you are talking out of your arse. Look at the positions of the players when the ball is thrown. Horton is releasing inside and had leverage on the db, if he doesn't get hit and grabbed he catches that running. There was nothing wrong with either the throw or the decision to throw
This post was edited on 11/16/25 at 11:52 am
Posted by Doug Heffernan
Member since Aug 2017
739 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 11:56 am to
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There was nothing wrong with either the throw or the decision to throw


Sure there wasn’t. It’s not like it ended up in a pick six or something. It’s a bad decision just like the pick that he threw in the end zone when the PI was called. He has a little Tua in him regarding trying to do “too much” and not throwing it away or just eating it.

SEC refs suck. Complaining about that makes you sound like a UGA fan. It’s still a shite decision regardless.
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
21835 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 12:00 pm to
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Sure there wasn’t. It’s not like it ended up in a pick six or something. It’s a bad decision just like the pick that he threw in the end zone
I don't know what to do with this level of stupid
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
19052 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

My point was just the ball shouldn’t have been thrown at all. Still a poor decision by Ty either way.


You are correct


quote:

If you expect Ty to make that throw to Cuevas down the middle with a blitzer in his lap then he must have some Tua type anticipation. Cuevas is not the “hot” route anyways. The back is and he’s covered.


I expected that from Ty because I have been very high on him.

I will say that with film study he knows the safety is cheating up, he didn't make the call to keep the RB inside so he has to take Cuevas as his read
Posted by MrPigskin
Member since Sep 2023
1047 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 12:25 pm to
Just my opinion, but the main problem obviously was the whiff on the protection. Another second or two and Cuevas was coming open for a big gain, but Ty just didn’t have the time to wait, the blitzer was already in his face.
Looking at it now, it wasn’t a really bad throw and I think Horton probably would have have been there to make the catch. The db definitely hit and yanked him off his route
You can see below - the ball is just at the 20 and Horton is already wrapped up. To me, the second photo shows (ball at the 19) Horton would have been in position to make the catch it if he wasn’t being mugged. That was clear PI.
It actually looked like that was part of OU’s plan and they got away with it on that play. They basically did the same thing on the end zone interception, but got flagged for it. You can tell it was deliberate by the way the ou coaches and db’s were laughing afterward…like they got caught.

This post was edited on 11/16/25 at 9:16 pm
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
16130 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 12:26 pm to
Our screen design is dogshit too. Obviously we give it away because every time we try one we have a defender all over the receiver.
Posted by Doug Heffernan
Member since Aug 2017
739 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 12:36 pm to
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I don't know what to do with this level of stupid


It’s better just not to argue when you can’t make an intelligent point.
Posted by Doug Heffernan
Member since Aug 2017
739 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 12:37 pm to
quote:

I will say that with film study he knows the safety is cheating up, he didn't make the call to keep the RB inside so he has to take Cuevas as his read


The near side safety is over the top of Cuevas
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11761 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 1:03 pm to
We never try more than one or two quick slants a game. It’s a pretty high percentage throw for 7 or 8 yards at least. Even easier why don’t we have some crossing routes that aren’t 20 yards downfield on early downs? We have no running game. I think we can all agree on that. The run game needs to be augmented with a short, high percentage passing game that consists of more than screens of either the WR variety which has been run to death and everyone recognizes them now and that’s a universal truth, not just a Bama thing, and the more conventional variety. It’s almost as if our offensive philosophy does not recognize the space between the LOS and the umpire as a passing zone. And I realize the safeties are cheating up but they will continue to do so until you burn them. Ty has to keep trying the deep ball a few times a game until he hits some.
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