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How is it that all of these dumpy little schools have good basketball teams?
Posted on 3/21/25 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 3/21/25 at 1:51 pm
Is it simply because basketball has small rosters so there's more talent to go around, or is it because these schools focus on nothing but basketball?
Posted on 3/21/25 at 1:52 pm to Landmass
Lot easier to pay a starting lineup of 5 players than 22+
Posted on 3/21/25 at 1:53 pm to Landmass
elbow in, off the index finger
Posted on 3/21/25 at 1:55 pm to Landmass
Because baskethoops has very good parity and it's cheap to field a team.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 1:57 pm to hoojy
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it's cheap to field a team
Indoor hand soccer
Posted on 3/21/25 at 2:00 pm to Landmass
Because one superstar that fell through the cracks or 5 veteran starters who excel at just playing their role are capable of carrying a team
Posted on 3/21/25 at 2:02 pm to Landmass
A lot of them aren't really that good
But all the conferences get a team in
That's why they are here
But all the conferences get a team in
That's why they are here
Posted on 3/21/25 at 2:03 pm to Landmass
5 on court play both ends.
To have a good, solid team you don’t need 45 or 50 quality players like football.
Late bloomers can go from a 6 foot PG at 15 to a 6’6” wing at 17.
Also good players want to play so 8 teams can’t horde 35 good players.
It’s also a worldwide game. Basketball skills can be developed on the streets or in the gym.
To have a good, solid team you don’t need 45 or 50 quality players like football.
Late bloomers can go from a 6 foot PG at 15 to a 6’6” wing at 17.
Also good players want to play so 8 teams can’t horde 35 good players.
It’s also a worldwide game. Basketball skills can be developed on the streets or in the gym.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 2:05 pm to Landmass
All small schools have to win their tournament. So they have a team that is playing its best basketball of the year and is hot against a big school that may have had a mediocre to bad end of the year
Posted on 3/21/25 at 2:26 pm to Landmass
It's the UConn/Gonzaga principle... not everyone is a P4 football powerhouse. Hell, half the P4 teams are not powerhouses, they just ride conference TV money.
Basketball also has TV money, second best in the NCAA. And it's a whole lot easier (and cheaper) to assemble a competitive team via different means.
UConn and Gonzaga, and a lot of the P4 teams that don't excel in football- save your NIL to assemble top talent annually. Return some talent each year, add in new, and voila, you have a good team.
Lower tier teams- solid coach develops a scheme, you recruit each year to that scheme, those guys stay and improve (and become more familiar with that scheme as well). Bob who was brought in to be a slow, tall white rebounder and shoot spot up 3's, by his junior year he's a decent 3 pt shooter.
Coach runs a heavy-motion offense; by year 3 (for the player) his players can run that smoothly enough that it can give any team fits to defend.
Plus as somebody said, basketball has a lot of skills that you can do by yourself. Shooting, all you need is a ball and a hoop. Dribbling, all you need is a ball.
Who was it that said his court was on a slight hill? And if he didn't hit the baseline jumper, he'd have to go run down the hill to retrieve the ball... that honed his shot.
Basketball also has TV money, second best in the NCAA. And it's a whole lot easier (and cheaper) to assemble a competitive team via different means.
UConn and Gonzaga, and a lot of the P4 teams that don't excel in football- save your NIL to assemble top talent annually. Return some talent each year, add in new, and voila, you have a good team.
Lower tier teams- solid coach develops a scheme, you recruit each year to that scheme, those guys stay and improve (and become more familiar with that scheme as well). Bob who was brought in to be a slow, tall white rebounder and shoot spot up 3's, by his junior year he's a decent 3 pt shooter.
Coach runs a heavy-motion offense; by year 3 (for the player) his players can run that smoothly enough that it can give any team fits to defend.
Plus as somebody said, basketball has a lot of skills that you can do by yourself. Shooting, all you need is a ball and a hoop. Dribbling, all you need is a ball.
Who was it that said his court was on a slight hill? And if he didn't hit the baseline jumper, he'd have to go run down the hill to retrieve the ball... that honed his shot.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 2:28 pm to Landmass
Everyone who won a league likely won a bunch of games during the regular season by figuring out their team, has confidence and has identified role guys. Doesn't always mean they'll be good in the tournament, but it can lead to them playing above their heads.
They also generally do things a little differently in terms of their defensive schemes and/or being smaller, which can be funky sometimes for power conference teams - especially if combined with not quite taking it as seriously as they should.
And wallah, its a 5 pt game with 7 minutes to play and tight butthole sets in for the big team.
They also generally do things a little differently in terms of their defensive schemes and/or being smaller, which can be funky sometimes for power conference teams - especially if combined with not quite taking it as seriously as they should.
And wallah, its a 5 pt game with 7 minutes to play and tight butthole sets in for the big team.
This post was edited on 3/21/25 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 3/21/25 at 2:29 pm to WaydownSouth
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All small schools have to win their tournament. So they have a team that is playing its best basketball of the year and is hot against a big school that may have had a mediocre to bad end of the year
Yep, beat me to it
Posted on 3/21/25 at 2:31 pm to Landmass
Lots of talent falls through the cracks.
Someone like Steph Curry goes to a small Christian school outside Charlotte.
A kid from my high school was a superstar. Got offered a walk on spot at Alabama and went to Troy and did very well.
Someone like Steph Curry goes to a small Christian school outside Charlotte.
A kid from my high school was a superstar. Got offered a walk on spot at Alabama and went to Troy and did very well.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 2:31 pm to Landmass
Winning basketball has a lower barrier to entry.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 3:32 pm to MtVernon
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Winning basketball has a lower barrier to entry.
So what’s your excuse this season with such a low barrier? If it’s so easy, why hasn’t horn done it this year? All it takes is money. Right, pistol cowboy?
Posted on 3/21/25 at 4:30 pm to BigSneezy
quote:Talent trumps schemes, and talent + schemes beats talent. That's over a season.quote:
Winning basketball has a lower barrier to entry.
So what’s your excuse this season with such a low barrier? If it’s so easy, why hasn’t horn done it this year? All it takes is money. Right, pistol cowboy?
LSU for example, could not bring in a coach who runs the Princeton Weave (or whatever it's called), recruit "down" to that scheme, and win consistently in the SEC. Even with an experienced team running it well a couple years down the road, they might catch one good team, say Kentucky... but Tenn, Auburn, Fla etc would look at that film, see the weak links (and there would be many), and devise a way to beat it. A couple good teams tweaking what was done, and it would become blowouts.
*the only time that could have worked was with Vandy, with their weird bench layout- teams were at opposite baselines, so you'd go a half with being unable to communicate with your defense, etc. And that still didn't work beyond bare minimum, occasional success.
At P4 level in conference, you need players able to compete, AND you need a coach who can effectively counter what the other coach does. With Pearl, Oates, Barnes, Calipari etc, that sets the bar pretty high. We joke about Calipari, but if he sets his mind to a specific style of play, and you get some continuity (not a whole lot, but more than Kentucky returned) across seasons, he's a tough guy to coach against.
Now, single game, anything can happen. Someone gets hot and the other team gets cold, and you can see Yale beat Auburn, Robert Morris scare the piss out of Bama, etc. That's rare to see last the entire tourney, much less a whole season. More often you see something like Omaha-St Johns, where the lesser team plays over their head and the better team is off, and you get a close half... but end up with a 30 pt blowout.
For LSU, I would say McMahon doesn't seem to be able to get the elite talent necessary to just overwhelm someone, or even enough to complete a game. He's a good enough coach/schemer that the team is solid for a half or 3/4 of the game, but they can't finish. And as we saw, eventually you lose the team when they can't see a way to win going forward.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 4:38 pm to makersmark1
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To have a good, solid team you don’t need 45 or 50 quality players like football
This is exactly why a mid-major type school will never win the college football playoffs.
Football isn't remotely similar to basketball in that regard, and adding 20 more postseason teams will not change anything at all.
The overwhelming amount of talent (and most importantly, depth) is concentrated within the top programs.
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