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North Carolina's Bid

Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:39 pm
Posted by ht1950
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:39 pm
Seems to have been the most controversial move the committee made. Talking heads say that Indiana and/or West Virginia got shafted.

Thoughts?
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 1:41 pm
Posted by Ukfan9
Member since Jan 2025
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:51 pm to
They got in because of $$$ and reputation. Nothing about their record or rpi suggest they have any business in the tourney. 1-11 Q1 wins.
Posted by UFFan
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:56 pm to
WVU was utterly flabbergasting. WVU beat Arizona, Gonzaga, Kansas, and Iowa State. All of those are better than UNC's best win over UCLA, let alone anybody else who UNC beat.

And it really can't be understated how bad UNC's collection of wins is. UNC won the rematches against Wake Forest and Pitt after losing to them earlier in the year, and those teams are both in the 60s. SMU is the only ACC team ranked higher than 89 in Pomeroy who they beat and didn't lose to earlier in the year. If you add in the wins over UCLA and Dayton (who's only 75th in Pomeroy), that means that UCLA, Dayton and SMU are the only 3 teams with a Pomeroy of higher than 89 who UNC beat and didn't lose to.

Colorado actually has a higher Pomeroy than most of the ACC (including Stanford, who UNC lost to at home), so the argument that that was a horrendous loss by WVU doesn't go very far.

Indiana's wins over Purdue, Michigan, and two wins over Ohio State are also better than anything UNC has done. Indiana also beat USCe, which is 1.000 against the ACC to UNC's .650.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 2:03 pm
Posted by morganwadefan
TN
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:05 pm to
Mountaineers got screwed. I like their new coach, just needs to keep building the roster.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:14 pm to
UNC deserved the bid


the leftist media hates Hubert Davis because he's a conservative Christian
Posted by ht1950
Member since Dec 2023
316 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:29 pm to
I seriously doubt religion played a part in any of the selections. However, the Selection Committee was chaired by UNC's AD. He says he excused himself when the Tarheels were discussed. Does his presence alone influence anyone else's thinking? Just asking.
Posted by UFFan
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:33 pm to
I'd have to see video footage of the meeting to be convinced that he actually left the room when UNC was being discussed.

But even if he did leave the room when UNC was being discussed, of course he'd have an impact. He could have constantly trashed Indiana and WVU while those teams were being discussed.

Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:33 pm to
I didn't say religion influenced the decision


I said the leftist media hates Hubert Davis because he's a conservative Christian. That's a fact and they've reacted that way.


Does that influence people in tourney picks? I don't know. If you deny the influence of the leftist media in every part of our lives, you're an idiot.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:34 pm to
Stuck it to West VA, big difference in resume. Wvu should sue
Posted by ht1950
Member since Dec 2023
316 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:50 pm to
Harry Rex Vonner: there is also a very active right-wing media that influences a lot of people. Teams generally consist of athletes and coaches of various belief systems. Should be a private matter, not a team requirement.
Posted by Tubedog13
Member since May 2009
3589 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 3:30 pm to
The UNC AD's response to them having a 1-12 Q1 record was "but they are 8-0 in Q2 games".
Posted by UFFan
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 3:43 pm to
UNC’s Q2 wins are all of the “road wins over #76-135” variety. I find the “home wins over #31-75” Q2 wins to be far more impressive.

And UNC had a Quad 3 loss, which WVU did not.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 3:49 pm
Posted by MAROON
Houston
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

However, the Selection Committee was chaired by UNC's AD. He says he excused himself when the Tarheels were discussed. Does his presence alone influence anyone else's thinking?


well, considering he got a $68k bonus for the UNC basketball team making the tournament (with potential for higher bonuses if they actually move through the tourney), I think there is sufficient question about him being on that committee.
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
45914 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 4:23 pm to
quote:


I didn't say religion influenced the decision


I said the leftist media hates Hubert Davis because he's a conservative Christian. That's a fact and they've reacted that way.


Does that influence people in tourney picks? I don't know. If you deny the influence of the leftist media in every part of our lives, you're an idiot.


Truth
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
25295 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 4:27 pm to
Just like the college football playoff this is about money, and big brands drive money.

There were probably 20-24 teams that deserved to be in over Texas and NC, but those are big brands which means $$$$$.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
130001 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 4:37 pm to
Yes, Indiana got shafted. I hope NC loses by 30 in their first game to show the committee how stupid they are
Posted by TTOWN RONMON
Member since Oct 2023
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 4:51 pm to
quote:

They got in because of $$$ and reputation. Nothing about their record or rpi suggest they have any business in the tourney. 1-11 Q1 wins.



Let me make a case of why this CAN BE AT TIMES, very misleading, and I have been saying this for years now that the SEC has learned to schedule its not hurting us like it used to.

So, UNC was 1-12 (I forget) vs. "QUAD 1 TEAMS" but 8-0 vs. QUAD 2 TEAMS. and that looks really bad right? But its an imagined lined.

Lets say team A beats 21, 22, 23, 24 and 25 but loses to teams 26, 27, 28, 29 and 30 whilst team B loses to teams 21, 22, 23, 24 and 25 but beats 26, 27, 28, 29 and 30.

You have team A team with "5 quad one wins" Whilst team B has ZERO QUAD ONE WINS, but guess what, its the exact same damned thing in reality, both have played 10 teams at the exact same level in realty, and both went 5-5.

Anyone in the SEC this year had to have quad one wins if they won an games, lol. I think QUAD 1 an d 2 should be given almost = weight.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 5:10 pm
Posted by 1801
Charleston
Member since Aug 2012
7844 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 4:52 pm to
good ol Bubba ain't hurt nobody -

snuck his school in the field and got paid a bonus as NC AD for "qualifying" -

stacked the deck against Duke with Mississippi State & Baylor as the 9/8 game - with one coach having a NCAAT title -

shite on Clem U by placing former assistant and the Devil Incarnate himself Will Wade as the 12 to Clem's 5

set up a Holy Trinity of elimination of 3 championship coaches after the first two rounds - Self - Calipari - Pitino - only 1 will advance -

under-seeded Louisville & Creighton - both runner ups in their respective leagues - regular season & conference tournaments - to face Bruce Pearl 2nd Rd -

good ol Bubba -
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 4:54 pm
Posted by UFFan
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Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:00 pm to
Dude, literally all of UNC’s conference road games were either Quad 1 or Quad 2. Their losses at Wake, Pitt and Duke were all blown Q1 win opportunities. Yes, even road games at Pitt and Wake were Q1 opportunities due to them narrowly being in the top 75.


Their other 7 road games were all Quad 2. Yes, even NC State, which didn’t make the ACC tournament, was a quad 2 road win due to them finishing #132, which is 3 spots ahead of the #135 cut off kind. Miami and BC would have been Quad 3 games if UNC had played either on the road, but UNC played both at home. (And needed 2 OT to beat BC at home lol.)


UNC’s Quad 2 wins are a product of how the NCAA rewards beating bad power conference teams on the road way too much. They sure as hell should not count like Quad 1 wins.

And UNC had a Quad 3 loss by losing to Stanford at home.

Xavier also shouldn’t have gotten in, but they actually had some near Quad1 wins by beating UConn and Creighton at home (both just outside the top 30.) Xavier’s Q1 win (at Marquette) is also better than UNC’s win at a neutral site over UCLA, and Xavier avoided a Q3 loss.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 5:16 pm
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
7301 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:13 pm to
Please SDSU. Beat the snot out of UNC and prove the committee wrong. If not, we’ll have to rely on Ole Miss.
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