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re: Why do SEC fans think the Pac 10 is weak?
Posted on 1/11/09 at 9:07 am to JohnStOnge
Posted on 1/11/09 at 9:07 am to JohnStOnge
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Pac 10 teams other than USC went 6-7 vs. the SEC. SEC teams other than LSU went 3-10 against the Pac 10.
Why do this? USC is above and beyond any other PAC-10 team, they could do well in the SEC. LSU is not the dominate force in the SEC like USC is in the PAC-10.
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 9:28 am to FanInLA
Okay, I'll bite.
Unless you have records of head-to-head battles, yr-in-yr-out, enough years to have some degree of statistical significance, you have proven nothing.In fact, even WITH those I don't think you can PROVE anything. Pro-SEC folks can't either, which is my point. Do you really believe that these relatively small numbers prove anything? They show possible trends, nothing more.
This is the reason that people judge these issues with the potential for so much bias.
I think you have given some fun info that supports the view that most reasonable folks already have:the Pac 10, and SC specifically, are worthy adversaries for our SEC programs.
But you haven't PROVEN anything and aren't likely to
Of course, there are SO many variables
Unless you have records of head-to-head battles, yr-in-yr-out, enough years to have some degree of statistical significance, you have proven nothing.In fact, even WITH those I don't think you can PROVE anything. Pro-SEC folks can't either, which is my point. Do you really believe that these relatively small numbers prove anything? They show possible trends, nothing more.
This is the reason that people judge these issues with the potential for so much bias.
I think you have given some fun info that supports the view that most reasonable folks already have:the Pac 10, and SC specifically, are worthy adversaries for our SEC programs.
But you haven't PROVEN anything and aren't likely to
Of course, there are SO many variables
Posted on 1/11/09 at 9:39 am to FanInLA
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None of those SEC BCS championships involved beating a top Pac 10 team
Is this because the conference strength is weak and USC is the only chance and they usually slip up?
The SEC also beats up on each other and still manages to put a team in the MNC game.
Posted on 1/11/09 at 9:43 am to FanInLA
Ok, how many of those strong PAC-10 teams were actually strong enough to make it to the BCS Championship Game in the BCS era? USC is the only one, while the SEC has had 3 representatives in the BCS game with LSU, Tenn and Florida (All Winners). The SEC should have had a fourth in Auburn the year they got shafted.
Posted on 1/11/09 at 9:44 am to FanInLA
[/quote]Why do this? USC is above and beyond any other PAC-10 team, they could do well in the SEC. LSU is not the dominate force in the SEC like USC is in the PAC-10.[quote]
Because, sometimes when I've had this discussion in the past, people say the Pac 10 just has the edge because of USC. However, LSU's 4-0 record against the Pac 10 is just as "important" to the numbers as USC's 4-0 record against the SEC is.
But you're right. It's not quite the same thing. I do think LSU may have been the top SEC program overall during the 2003-2006 period during which it played its four games against Pac 10s but it's obviously not the same as the way in which USC has dominated the Pac 10.
Because, sometimes when I've had this discussion in the past, people say the Pac 10 just has the edge because of USC. However, LSU's 4-0 record against the Pac 10 is just as "important" to the numbers as USC's 4-0 record against the SEC is.
But you're right. It's not quite the same thing. I do think LSU may have been the top SEC program overall during the 2003-2006 period during which it played its four games against Pac 10s but it's obviously not the same as the way in which USC has dominated the Pac 10.
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