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Every issue on the football field is fixable, IF
Posted on 10/20/24 at 6:58 am
Posted on 10/20/24 at 6:58 am
Every issue is fixable. The penalties. Milroe. The OL and DL. The secondary. Pick any issue you want. We won a national championship with Jake Coker...after he was benched early season. We went undefeated with Greg freaking McElroy. Both were in their first years as starters. Those QBs were coached up.
They are all fixable issues if players are well coached, and disciplined. Right now, we are poorly coached and undisciplined, and that lack of discipline is obviously tolerated. Malachi Moore's tantrum has been discussed ad nauseum. But Chapman and Morgan? Walking into Neyland with cigars in their mouths? Chapman played and worked under Saban, but this isn't about Saban. If he was working for Sark or Kirby, he wouldn't have done that either. He did it yesterday because he had that comfort level working for DeBoer. Communicating to the players that hey, we've got this thing won before we even walk into the locker room.
Want to cut Chapman some slack because maybe he and DeBoer are still getting to know each other? Morgan has worked for DeBoer for 2 years, and he felt that comfort level.
My opinion is that neither the players nor the staff respect him. And when I say respect, I don't mean some feel good definition of respect. I mean the kind of respect that includes a staff member having a healthy fear of having his arse chewed out.
It starts at the top with DeBoer, and then the staff. There's lots of disagreement on this board about what the more critical issues are to fix. I think it's safe to say that regardless of those disagreements, no one has confidence in DeBoer right now to fix things. The undisciplined environment has been allowed to take root not just with the players (15 penalties?) but also with the staff.
I hope I'm wrong, but time will tell.
They are all fixable issues if players are well coached, and disciplined. Right now, we are poorly coached and undisciplined, and that lack of discipline is obviously tolerated. Malachi Moore's tantrum has been discussed ad nauseum. But Chapman and Morgan? Walking into Neyland with cigars in their mouths? Chapman played and worked under Saban, but this isn't about Saban. If he was working for Sark or Kirby, he wouldn't have done that either. He did it yesterday because he had that comfort level working for DeBoer. Communicating to the players that hey, we've got this thing won before we even walk into the locker room.
Want to cut Chapman some slack because maybe he and DeBoer are still getting to know each other? Morgan has worked for DeBoer for 2 years, and he felt that comfort level.
My opinion is that neither the players nor the staff respect him. And when I say respect, I don't mean some feel good definition of respect. I mean the kind of respect that includes a staff member having a healthy fear of having his arse chewed out.
It starts at the top with DeBoer, and then the staff. There's lots of disagreement on this board about what the more critical issues are to fix. I think it's safe to say that regardless of those disagreements, no one has confidence in DeBoer right now to fix things. The undisciplined environment has been allowed to take root not just with the players (15 penalties?) but also with the staff.
I hope I'm wrong, but time will tell.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 7:01 am to BamaGradinTn
If the issue is coaching, nothing is getting fixed this year.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 7:05 am to Syd
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If the issue is coaching, nothing is getting fixed this year.
Agreed. And when I say coaching, I don't just mean skill development, play calling, preparation, in game adjustments, etc.
I mean having an atmosphere where the head coach demands excellence...from himself, his staff, and his players.
Up to now, DeBoer hasn't demanded excellence. If the head coach doesn't demand excellence, we won't get it.
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 7:06 am
Posted on 10/20/24 at 7:06 am to BamaGradinTn
Milroe isn’t fixable. He is what he is. Very inconsistent. When he is on he is the biggest weapon in CFB…when he is off he isn’t even a P4 starter.
I defended him as long as I could.
I defended him as long as I could.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 7:10 am to mistaken4193
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Milroe isn’t fixable. He is what he is. Very inconsistent. When he is on he is the biggest weapon in CFB…when he is off he isn’t even a P4 starter.
I defended him as long as I could.
People can agree or disagree. Even if he isn't fixable, you can still win. 2nd down inside the 5, and you call for a 50-50 jump ball? We can't get 4 yards in 3 plays on the ground? If he isn't fixable, don't put him in that situation.
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 7:11 am
Posted on 10/20/24 at 7:10 am to mistaken4193
I think the only thing that can be fixed right now, to win games, is bench Milroe and see what Simpson can do at home with entire playbook against Missouri. Get his feet wet before the road game against LSU.
Can you image Milroe at night in Death Valley right now? We’ll get slaughtered.
Can you image Milroe at night in Death Valley right now? We’ll get slaughtered.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 7:12 am to Syd
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I think the only thing that can be fixed right now, to win games, is bench Milroe and see what Simpson can do at home with entire playbook against Missouri. Get his feet wet before the road game against LSU.
Not one bit of that will matter if this coach doesn't get the respect of the players and staff.
That issue is far bigger than any issue at any one position.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 7:22 am to Syd
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Can you image Milroe at night in Death Valley right now? We’ll get slaughtered.
An arse whipping the likes of which we've never seen.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 7:24 am to BamaGradinTn
One issue.
BENCH THE QUARTERBACK!
This offense should average 40 points easily!
BENCH THE QUARTERBACK!
This offense should average 40 points easily!
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:40 am to BamaGradinTn
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fixable
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Milroe
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:49 am to Syd
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Can you image Milroe at night in Death Valley right now?
Current Jalen we lose.
1H UGA Jalen we win by 17.
The problem is we’re 3.5 games removed from 1H UGA Jalen and he’s getting worse with every snap.
Terrible situation for a coach.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 11:09 am to TiderNAL
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fixable
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Milroe
And if you're old enough, I'm sure you, like all Bama fans everywhere, thought Blake Sims would never play a meaningful snap at QB.
Properly coached and managed during a game, we could win a championship with Milroe. When I say fixable, I don't mean turning him into a fricking Hesiman Trophy winner that throws for 350-4-0 every game. I mean a competent QB who doesn't get us beat. That requires a quality OL and running game, intelligent play calling, and discipline...i.e, cut out the stupid penalties.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 11:31 am to PuertoRicanBlaze
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An arse whipping the likes of which we've never seen
We all laughed and joked about Kelly at lsu being an awful coach. Right now he has his team playing great def and off
Posted on 10/20/24 at 12:04 pm to BamaGradinTn
Sims was part of the reason we lost to Ohio State. Sims was a journeyman player that should have never played quarterback at Alabama. He was a credit to himself and the coaching staff. This happened before Saban realized you need a much better than average quarterback to win big games. Many fans realized Milroe was not an above average quarterback, and not close to elite, early on. I am a charter member of TNK(The Naysayers Knew). How he worked himself into the starting quarterback and continuing beats me. He should be replaced. He has a nice piece of change to see him through. Hurts has hit his ceiling at Philadelphia also.
There is more than talent to being an elite player at any position or sport, but it starts with talent. Neither Milroe or Hurts has the talent to be an elite quarterback. Tebow was the same way although he did fit Urban's system and being surrounded by great players was a great college quarterback. On the other hand Brady and Mahomes are elite.
There is more than talent to being an elite player at any position or sport, but it starts with talent. Neither Milroe or Hurts has the talent to be an elite quarterback. Tebow was the same way although he did fit Urban's system and being surrounded by great players was a great college quarterback. On the other hand Brady and Mahomes are elite.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 12:25 pm to stewieie
Hurts will not be the starting QB in 2026. Then again, he will have made near 200 million.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:07 pm to BamaGradinTn
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And if you're old enough, I'm sure you, like all Bama fans everywhere, thought Blake Sims would never play a meaningful snap at QB.
Properly coached and managed during a game, we could win a championship with Milroe. When I say fixable, I don't mean turning him into a fricking Hesiman Trophy winner that throws for 350-4-0 every game. I mean a competent QB who doesn't get us beat. That requires a quality OL and running game, intelligent play calling, and discipline...i.e, cut out the stupid penalties.
I guarantee you Blake Sims would have seen and hit every wide open receiver and TE that Milroe was incapable of seeing yesterday.
Three coordinators and two head coaches later, nothing has changed with Milroe. So it's pretty safe to assume the issue isn't coaching and he's a lost cause. This is like saying a proper OC could tailor an offense to fit the skillset of an armless 70 year old man. OCs aren't magicians. That's why some quarterbacks never see the light of day because they can't be repaired and Milroe has no business being the starting QB at a major SEC power.
If we had a quarterback that could hit wide open targets, we would have won that game by multiple scores. At some point, people are going to have to accept the fact that Milroe is a waste.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:12 pm to BamaGradinTn
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2nd down inside the 5, and you call for a 50-50 jump ball?
If he throws it to the boundary or the pylon it's a TD or an incompletion.
It wasn't a bad call. 3rd and 4th down you can try the power if Hollywood doesn't make the catch.
What's inexcusable is where that ball was placed. It isn't a difficult throw at all. Milroe threw it in the one spot he shouldn't have.
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:21 pm to PuertoRicanBlaze
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. At some point, people are going to have to accept the fact that Milroe is a waste.
I've defended the hell out of Milroe, but I'm there now. He's supposed to be a steady leader of this team, not it's downfall.
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