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re: If bama goes to a 4-2-5 defense
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:09 pm to DawginSC
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:09 pm to DawginSC
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Some use a 3-3-5 more than a 4-2-5 as their nickel-base.
Bama fans would know better, but I think they tended to go with 3 down linemen more than 4 under Saban. I know Kirby ran that at Bama and took it to UGA. Don't know if Bama went to a 4-man front after he left.
Changing between the 3 and 4 man front is a significant change. When UGA went from the 4-man to a 3-man front, the only DL who was really successful at going from a hands down DE to a standing up rush OLB was Justin Houston. It took time to get the right kind of DL/LB on the roster before the move really paid any dividends.
A few times this year - against the better offenses - Alabama essentially had to drop the 3-down nickel mid-game because these opponents were really hounding the mismatch of a good H (TE or slot body) on OLB who really is a pass rusher. Teams would basically just go trips against Alabama, run a wheel or something similar (so the OLB matches), then torch him vertically. Notably, Alabama basically just had to default to 4 down, split safety and try to stop the run with 6 against Tenn and UGA...they were getting killed with 3-3-5.
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Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:13 pm to Diego Ricardo
quote:This board needs more of this type of discussion instead of the hurrr durrr Kirby has a bowl cut. Hurr Durr Seattle Hippie won't be able to recruit teh souf shite.quote:
Some use a 3-3-5 more than a 4-2-5 as their nickel-base.
Bama fans would know better, but I think they tended to go with 3 down linemen more than 4 under Saban. I know Kirby ran that at Bama and took it to UGA. Don't know if Bama went to a 4-man front after he left.
Changing between the 3 and 4 man front is a significant change. When UGA went from the 4-man to a 3-man front, the only DL who was really successful at going from a hands down DE to a standing up rush OLB was Justin Houston. It took time to get the right kind of DL/LB on the roster before the move really paid any dividends.
A few times this year - against the better offenses - Alabama essentially had to drop the 3-down nickel mid-game because these opponents were really hounding the mismatch of a good H (TE or slot body) on OLB who really is a pass rusher. Teams would basically just go trips against Alabama, run a wheel or something similar (so the OLB matches), then torch him vertically. Notably, Alabama basically just had to default to 4 down, split safety and try to stop the run with 6 against Tenn and UGA...they were getting killed with 3-3-5.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:25 pm to Diego Ricardo
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A few times this year - against the better offenses - Alabama essentially had to drop the 3-down nickel mid-game because these opponents were really hounding the mismatch of a good H (TE or slot body) on OLB who really is a pass rusher. Teams would basically just go trips against Alabama, run a wheel or something similar (so the OLB matches), then torch him vertically. Notably, Alabama basically just had to default to 4 down, split safety and try to stop the run with 6 against Tenn and UGA...they were getting killed with 3-3-5.
Interesting.
UGA tends to use the 3-3-5, but will sometimes act like a 4-2-5 in terms of coverages from the LB position (with the rush OLB not covering the slot and just rushing the passer). Sometimes they will have the rush OLB cover the slot. They don't let the formation give away the coverage. We never sub in a DE for the OLB as that would let the offense know what we're doing.
In general I think Smart's belief is that having a LB rather than a DE lets the defense be more flexible and unpredictable, even if he does rush the passer the majority of the time.
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