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Starting offensive lineups in last 2 year season openers
Posted on 9/5/23 at 7:30 am
Posted on 9/5/23 at 7:30 am
Lots of hand wringing the last few days over Saturday's results. Lots of people reference our demolition of a good oregon team in last year's opener as an apples to apples comparison on why this year's offense sucks compared to last years' so I wanted to look at each offense's lineup to see how they stack up.
QB
Stetson Bennett vs
Carson Beck
-Bennett as a super senior was starting his 3rd season while Jr Beck was starting his 1st game
Advantage: 2022
RB
Kenny McIntosh/Kendall Milton/Daijun Edwards vs
Kendall Milton/Roderick Robinson/Cash Jones/Andrew Paul
-Kenny and Kendall had both already proven themselves to varying degrees by this point and each having started games in the past. 2023 version of Milton was not 100%, and he was backed up by 2 true freshmen and a walkon. 2 of our top 3 RBs did not play.
Advantage: 2022
TE
Bowers both years, we'll call it a wash
WR
Ladd McConkey/AD Mitchell/Kearis Jackson vs
Arian Smith/Dom Lovett/Dillon Bell
-All 3 2022 guys were proven and had made big plays throughout their careers. Dom has proven himself at a different school and making his first appearance at UGA, while Arian and Dillon Bell certainly both have potential neither have really flahsed on a national scale quite yet. Our top 2 returnign receivers did not play.
Advantage: 2022
LT
Broderick Jones vs
Earnest Greene
-A multi-year starter who would get drafted in the 1st round vs a freshman in his first start
Advantage: 2022
LG/C/RG
Same both years, so we'll call it a wash. If you wanted to get really in the weeds you could give 2023 the advantage since they're all a year older I guess.
RT
Warren Mcclenson vs
Amarius Mims
-This one is a toughie. Mims is more talented and will be drafted higher, but Mclendon was steady as a rock and starting somethign like his 25th straight game at tackle. Based on higher ceiling we'll go Mims.
Advnatage: 2023
OC Tenure
-Monken was beginning his 3rd season as UGA OC compared to Bobo installing his own terminology and starting game 1 in this new stint.
i know Saturday has been beaten to death already so I'm late to that party, and I absolutely saw some shite that needs to be fixed immediately (namely, the OL). But I think people are way, WAY too hung up on bobo for seemingly no real reason. To compare saturday to oregon is silly for a number of reasons, one of which is that our starting 11 in 2022 was light years better than what we trotted out this weekend. I made a post back in the spring when he was hired and sure enough it only took about 3 minutes before those predictions were correct. A collection of mouthbreathers in our fanbase just have this meme in their heads that bobo is awful, so anything short of a first =down or touchdown will simply lead to them regurgitating how awful he is. When in reaility he was the best OC we've ever had prior to 2020.
QB
Stetson Bennett vs
Carson Beck
-Bennett as a super senior was starting his 3rd season while Jr Beck was starting his 1st game
Advantage: 2022
RB
Kenny McIntosh/Kendall Milton/Daijun Edwards vs
Kendall Milton/Roderick Robinson/Cash Jones/Andrew Paul
-Kenny and Kendall had both already proven themselves to varying degrees by this point and each having started games in the past. 2023 version of Milton was not 100%, and he was backed up by 2 true freshmen and a walkon. 2 of our top 3 RBs did not play.
Advantage: 2022
TE
Bowers both years, we'll call it a wash
WR
Ladd McConkey/AD Mitchell/Kearis Jackson vs
Arian Smith/Dom Lovett/Dillon Bell
-All 3 2022 guys were proven and had made big plays throughout their careers. Dom has proven himself at a different school and making his first appearance at UGA, while Arian and Dillon Bell certainly both have potential neither have really flahsed on a national scale quite yet. Our top 2 returnign receivers did not play.
Advantage: 2022
LT
Broderick Jones vs
Earnest Greene
-A multi-year starter who would get drafted in the 1st round vs a freshman in his first start
Advantage: 2022
LG/C/RG
Same both years, so we'll call it a wash. If you wanted to get really in the weeds you could give 2023 the advantage since they're all a year older I guess.
RT
Warren Mcclenson vs
Amarius Mims
-This one is a toughie. Mims is more talented and will be drafted higher, but Mclendon was steady as a rock and starting somethign like his 25th straight game at tackle. Based on higher ceiling we'll go Mims.
Advnatage: 2023
OC Tenure
-Monken was beginning his 3rd season as UGA OC compared to Bobo installing his own terminology and starting game 1 in this new stint.
i know Saturday has been beaten to death already so I'm late to that party, and I absolutely saw some shite that needs to be fixed immediately (namely, the OL). But I think people are way, WAY too hung up on bobo for seemingly no real reason. To compare saturday to oregon is silly for a number of reasons, one of which is that our starting 11 in 2022 was light years better than what we trotted out this weekend. I made a post back in the spring when he was hired and sure enough it only took about 3 minutes before those predictions were correct. A collection of mouthbreathers in our fanbase just have this meme in their heads that bobo is awful, so anything short of a first =down or touchdown will simply lead to them regurgitating how awful he is. When in reaility he was the best OC we've ever had prior to 2020.
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 7:46 am
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 7:50 am to WG_Dawg
I'm not against Bobo. I was on team Bobo during his initial run, but times have changed in the college offensive landscape since then.
I think Kirby making a few references to the play calling in game one worries me more than anything. That's pretty rare for Kirby to do and maybe since he has a close relationship to Mike he feels comfortable to do that.
Then you have the long con theory about not showing any plays that you don't have to so they aren't on film, blah blah blah. Which is fine and may be true, but there is a reason the top WR recruits aren't coming here. There's a narrative and we haven't been able to squash that narrative yet. Maybe that never matters and Kirby plugs portal guys in at WR.
We will out talent every team in our regular season schedule but I would just like to see some more creative run plays and more intermediate routes. And I want a 1000 yard WR. It's crazy it has been so long.
Main point is I'm not super worried about Bobo yet, but I was expecting a bigger splash to send a message to recruits and the fans. I think Kirby wanted that too. Execution obviously plays a big part and maybe we get that splash this week after the players get bitched out.
I think Kirby making a few references to the play calling in game one worries me more than anything. That's pretty rare for Kirby to do and maybe since he has a close relationship to Mike he feels comfortable to do that.
Then you have the long con theory about not showing any plays that you don't have to so they aren't on film, blah blah blah. Which is fine and may be true, but there is a reason the top WR recruits aren't coming here. There's a narrative and we haven't been able to squash that narrative yet. Maybe that never matters and Kirby plugs portal guys in at WR.
We will out talent every team in our regular season schedule but I would just like to see some more creative run plays and more intermediate routes. And I want a 1000 yard WR. It's crazy it has been so long.
Main point is I'm not super worried about Bobo yet, but I was expecting a bigger splash to send a message to recruits and the fans. I think Kirby wanted that too. Execution obviously plays a big part and maybe we get that splash this week after the players get bitched out.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 7:54 am to K9
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but I would just like to see some more creative run plays
What are more creative run plays?
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more intermediate routes
UTM was doing a lot of drop 8. The intermediate routes are clouded up unless we move our launch point or wait 4 seconds to throw (let the vertical game spread the defense out and have receivers settle in the windows).
Posted on 9/5/23 at 7:59 am to WG_Dawg
Just quit throwing the damn ball sideways and I will be happier than a pig in shite.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:09 am to WG_Dawg
This is one of the reasons that dynasties in CFB are so rare. Those experienced and seasoned leaders that got us there in 2021 and 2022 have all for the most part moved on. It’s tough to plug and play with new starters and not have hiccups.
Beck just needs to loosen up a little bit and the OL needs to play like the experienced unit they are. If that happens and we get some of these injured players back we’ll be fine. USCe showed they can’t block anybody so we should get some very winnable games under our belt to tune this team up.
Beck just needs to loosen up a little bit and the OL needs to play like the experienced unit they are. If that happens and we get some of these injured players back we’ll be fine. USCe showed they can’t block anybody so we should get some very winnable games under our belt to tune this team up.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:09 am to Animal
Our play calling against Junior Colleges last year was similar. They stack the box and we try to run center anyway. It’s good practice. You’ll notice the couple of times we went wide all long runs.
Another full game to get ready. What a luxury.
Another full game to get ready. What a luxury.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:09 am to meansonny
Graham had a stat for Beck
Beck was only 6/13 for 31 YDS when blitzed despite never being pressured on those 13 dropbacks.
So maybe the few intermediate routes can be tied to execution on Beck not allowing those routes to develop.
Run plays, idk, I'm not a x and o expert. Learn a little more every year, but the o line stuff is still pretty alien to me. Haven't rewatched but don't remember seeing any pulling plays. Just seemed man to man with most going on one side of the center or the other...the pulling and trapping and tossing plays is what I mean when I say creative.
Beck was only 6/13 for 31 YDS when blitzed despite never being pressured on those 13 dropbacks.
So maybe the few intermediate routes can be tied to execution on Beck not allowing those routes to develop.
Run plays, idk, I'm not a x and o expert. Learn a little more every year, but the o line stuff is still pretty alien to me. Haven't rewatched but don't remember seeing any pulling plays. Just seemed man to man with most going on one side of the center or the other...the pulling and trapping and tossing plays is what I mean when I say creative.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:14 am to K9
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I think Kirby making a few references to the play calling in game one worries me more than anything.
Saw that in one of the pressers where he said a call was very bad. Let's hope that shite doesn't happen again.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:20 am to K9
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. I was on team Bobo during his initial run, but times have changed in the college offensive landscape since then.
of course they have, no doubt. And as of now we have all of 1 game of data to go on on how he adjusts. What he did with complete shitpiles of talent to work with at SC and AU doesn't matter to me. I'm jsut saying let's give the guy a chance before firing him
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not showing any plays that you don't have to so they aren't on film, blah blah blah. Which is fine and may be true, but there is a reason the top WR recruits aren't coming here. There's a narrative and we haven't been able to squash that narrative yet. Maybe that never matters and Kirby plugs portal guys in at WR.
We will out talent every team in our regular season schedule but I would just like to see some more creative run plays and more intermediate routes. And I want a 1000 yard WR. It's crazy it has been so long.
Main point is I'm not super worried about Bobo yet, but I was expecting a bigger splash to send a message to recruits and the fans. I think Kirby wanted that too. Execution obviously plays a big part and maybe we get that splash this week after the players get bitched out.
how does this tie back to bobo? We didn't get them under MOnken either. Hell we've NEVER gotten top WRs consistently. AJ Green and PIckens are the only 2 bonafide, can't miss megastuds we've gotten at WR in the lats 20 years. We seem to always have guys that are really good and consistently solid like your malcolm mitchell, tavarres king, fred gibson, reggie brown, michael bennett, etc. but have very rarely had the AJ Green type guys that bama and OSu have every year. That's a separate topic entirely though and one that doesn't really come back on bobo
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I would just like to see some more creative run plays and more intermediate routes. A
we all do, I do too. But I mean one game against UT Martin just doens't really move the needle on that for me. One of the only outsdie run plays we ran saturday was a long gainer with our slowest RB. I know out coaches aren't dumb enough to realize that running more outsdie would lead to more gains. But stuffing the RB stat sheet just diddn't matter saturday. I have a feeling that what we see against SC in our first "real" test is going to be night and day compard to saturday.o
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Main point is I'm not super worried about Bobo yet, but I was expecting a bigger splash to send a message to recruits and the fans.
I don't even really disagree wiht you. I think we all want to see video game stats agianst crap teams. And as mentioned there was a lot to be irritated about. But I mean, it was game 1 wiht a massively downgraded roster. Let's get ladd, MRJ, and daijon back and see what happens
Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:28 am to RealDawg
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Our play calling against Junior Colleges last year was similar.
It's not just the shite teams either.
We scored 26 points and looked like hammered dogshit for 3 quarters against missouri last yeare and were fortuate to win. We scored 16 against kentucky in a game where stetson went 13-19 for 116 yards 0TD/1INT. We scored 10 points int eh first half against an massively overmatched tech team with an interim HC.
Going back further to 2021, another national title wining season, we scored a total of 3 points on offense in the opener albeit against a qualtiy opponent. 14 points in the first half against kentucky. 3 points in the first 28 minutes of play agianst flroida. 16 points in the first 25 minutes of play against missouri.
Peole act like us starting slow is some kind of bobo thing only. We've started slow a frickton even under monken but we generlaly turn on the jets and wear people down in the 2nd half...just liek we did saturday.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:31 am to WG_Dawg
My point on the WR is I think with the way the game is going towards a more pass heavy, open game, getting the elite WR will be very important for sustained success.
A good QB and elite WR can hide a lot of warts. We're not always going to have defenses like we have had the past two years so I think we need to start trying to get on the Bama, OSU, 2019 LSU teams. I mean we are really the exception to the rule over the past several years as far as formulas to win a natty.
And you're right this isn't just a Bobo thing so I'm probably getting off topic, but with Monken our offense seemed more in line with the way the college and NFL game is going. Just want Mike to be able to continue that trend and keep improving it.
At this point in the college landscape, you would be crazy to want a Todd Gurley or Nick Chubb on your team over a Marvin Harrison or Justin Jefferson. It's a broader topic but I think it's important we get some of these guys going forward. We whiffed on all the tops guys so far this year, need points and yards especially against the little sister of the poors.
A good QB and elite WR can hide a lot of warts. We're not always going to have defenses like we have had the past two years so I think we need to start trying to get on the Bama, OSU, 2019 LSU teams. I mean we are really the exception to the rule over the past several years as far as formulas to win a natty.
And you're right this isn't just a Bobo thing so I'm probably getting off topic, but with Monken our offense seemed more in line with the way the college and NFL game is going. Just want Mike to be able to continue that trend and keep improving it.
At this point in the college landscape, you would be crazy to want a Todd Gurley or Nick Chubb on your team over a Marvin Harrison or Justin Jefferson. It's a broader topic but I think it's important we get some of these guys going forward. We whiffed on all the tops guys so far this year, need points and yards especially against the little sister of the poors.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:40 am to K9
I mostly agree with you, and would've 1000% agreed with you up until 2021. Admittedly I do get a bit jealous wathcing teams with multiple first round WRs throwing it all over hte place, that's fun to watch. But we've proven the last TWO years, that you can still win big playign old school SEC ball. Now the big, enormous, MASSIVE caveat to that, is that if you base your identiy on run game and defense, buddy you better have an ELITE defense. Our sometimes plodding and boring offense the last 2 years has been acceptable becuase we've had the best defense in america. If our defense has/had been a couple notches below what it's been I have to think there's a lot more gumbrling about monken and kirby.
But I'm off topic now too. To your point, yes I agree it's befuddling we dont' get better WRs and I have no idea why we don't, expecially consiering Richt's background. I also dont' think it's necessarily going to change much considering Smart's philosophy and how he operates. We may land a pickens here and there but he's always going to favor the run game.
But I'm off topic now too. To your point, yes I agree it's befuddling we dont' get better WRs and I have no idea why we don't, expecially consiering Richt's background. I also dont' think it's necessarily going to change much considering Smart's philosophy and how he operates. We may land a pickens here and there but he's always going to favor the run game.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:47 am to K9
Overall I think your point is pretty much right for regular season games. but lets look at the last two seasons.
Georgia vs Alabama walk on Qb vs number one pick in the draft. Bama had the better wide receivers by stars even if you don't count the two with injuries.
Georgia vs Ohio State again walk on Qb vs number three pick in the draft. Ohio State had the best three receivers in the game yet Georgia threw for more yards and rushed for more yds.
I don't think even now with the game going the way it is going that you have to have the top 5 star WR in college to win. I will take the Monken offense with decent WR over the super stars Ohio State had. JMO
And most people won't admit this but once you start throwing the ball all over the lot you eventually end up with a soft team.
Georgia vs Alabama walk on Qb vs number one pick in the draft. Bama had the better wide receivers by stars even if you don't count the two with injuries.
Georgia vs Ohio State again walk on Qb vs number three pick in the draft. Ohio State had the best three receivers in the game yet Georgia threw for more yards and rushed for more yds.
I don't think even now with the game going the way it is going that you have to have the top 5 star WR in college to win. I will take the Monken offense with decent WR over the super stars Ohio State had. JMO
And most people won't admit this but once you start throwing the ball all over the lot you eventually end up with a soft team.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:51 am to Animal
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Just quit throwing the damn ball sideways and I will be happier than a pig in shite.
Those are technically "creative run plays". And Monken probably threw 15 of them game 1 last season.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:55 am to K9
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Graham had a stat for Beck
Beck was only 6/13 for 31 YDS when blitzed despite never being pressured on those 13 dropbacks
Stetson numbers were identical in the 2021 season. Handling pressure takes time. By the end of the year, Stetson made big plays on blitzes (having George Pickens and Ladd McConkey helps).
Brooks Austin made the comment that Beck has been practicing against the #1 defense in America. His clock is timed to get the ball out before they reach him. It is a balancing act for Carson to find how long he can hold the ball before letting it rip.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:57 am to Jboney2688
Good point about the soft team. I agree with that. I would sign up for a Monken offense every day of the week, but I think we make conscious choices (read Kirby probably) to stifle the offense vs some teams. It has obviously been working but I just don't think we can expect to have such a dominant defense to cover those games where we go Uber conservative.
I don't want a Lincoln Riley style offense, but I want the capability to do that if needed. We did that perfectly with Monken, just don't want to backslide back towards man ball with Bobo.
I don't want a Lincoln Riley style offense, but I want the capability to do that if needed. We did that perfectly with Monken, just don't want to backslide back towards man ball with Bobo.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:01 am to meansonny
Carson needs to develop some more gunslinger too. That's where stetsons cockiness helped him a ton. Beck seemed hesitant to throw into a tight window or go off script. Which obviously isn't the worst trait, but sometimes you have to take that risk.
First game he started in several years and I'm sure he didn't want to end up in Kirby's doghouse with turnovers. Definitely gotta find a balance though. I am expecting a big improvement vs ball state. Will be worried if he still looks robotic though.
First game he started in several years and I'm sure he didn't want to end up in Kirby's doghouse with turnovers. Definitely gotta find a balance though. I am expecting a big improvement vs ball state. Will be worried if he still looks robotic though.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:04 am to K9
quote:I think it was more he wanted to see his offensive line work through it while playing a team where there isn’t much danger of losing. A lot of guys that probably would’ve played if it was a different team sat and recovered because they didn’t have to play.
Then you have the long con theory about not showing any plays that you don't have to so they aren't on film
quote:I would bet we see the same thing but with better execution. I don’t think we see a splash until South Carolina.
maybe we get that splash this week after the players get bitched out
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:04 am to meansonny
Antoher thing about Beck from Staurday.
-On the first series of the game on 3rd down, we had a slot WR streaking wide open down the field that's a gimmem touchedown but Beck never saw him. Threw left instead incomplete
-Later on in the 1st we throw a long bomb to arian that's about 4 feet too long. If we complete that it's 7-0 early and everyone is happy
-In the 2nd half, on the drive that started at our 2, we threw a copmletion to either dillon bell or #18 I think, but we had someone else streaking down the south sideline with nobody within 15 yards of him. If beck sees him it's walk in touchdown
If htose things go differently people are calling bobo amazing and sayign we haven't missed a beat, but because the QB didn't execute properly apparnelty the playcalling sucked.
-On the first series of the game on 3rd down, we had a slot WR streaking wide open down the field that's a gimmem touchedown but Beck never saw him. Threw left instead incomplete
-Later on in the 1st we throw a long bomb to arian that's about 4 feet too long. If we complete that it's 7-0 early and everyone is happy
-In the 2nd half, on the drive that started at our 2, we threw a copmletion to either dillon bell or #18 I think, but we had someone else streaking down the south sideline with nobody within 15 yards of him. If beck sees him it's walk in touchdown
If htose things go differently people are calling bobo amazing and sayign we haven't missed a beat, but because the QB didn't execute properly apparnelty the playcalling sucked.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:12 am to WG_Dawg
And another thing - he stared down his receivers.
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