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The National Collegiate Football League (NCFL) should be created immediately
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:17 pm
50 teams, 5 regions, coefficients determine # of teams from each region that make playoffs (like European soccer leagues and the Champions League).
- this would ONLY be for football - teams would treat the rest of their athletic programs the same way they always have (or, we'd have similar systems to this across the rest of the sports - that would be a different discussion)
- 13 regular season games (9 region, 1 game vs every other region based on schedule like NFL)
- 12 team playoff
- 5 region winners
- 7 at-large based on coefficients
- A true league with universal rules, structure and leadership (modeled on the American professional leagues)
At this point at least we'd keep some regional conformity like they have in professional sports (and keeps rivalries). We'd have a little more fairness in the postseason system (like the professional leagues).
If we're gonna just go ahead and be the pros, at least take the good parts of the pros and not just the ones that everybody hates.
The remaining ex-FCS schools drop to a FBS-B Tier 2 (along with adding some current FCS programs like NDSU, North Dakota, Montana, Northern Iowa, etc) where they divy themselves up in general chaos except for the mostly private schools that breath a sigh of relief and create a more competitive Ivy League style of league.
Others just drop down to the FCS where they belong now anyway.
Be gone realignment bullshite. Accept our new NFL system and give us back some of our sanity.
- this would ONLY be for football - teams would treat the rest of their athletic programs the same way they always have (or, we'd have similar systems to this across the rest of the sports - that would be a different discussion)
- 13 regular season games (9 region, 1 game vs every other region based on schedule like NFL)
- 12 team playoff
- 5 region winners
- 7 at-large based on coefficients
- A true league with universal rules, structure and leadership (modeled on the American professional leagues)
At this point at least we'd keep some regional conformity like they have in professional sports (and keeps rivalries). We'd have a little more fairness in the postseason system (like the professional leagues).
If we're gonna just go ahead and be the pros, at least take the good parts of the pros and not just the ones that everybody hates.
The remaining ex-FCS schools drop to a FBS-B Tier 2 (along with adding some current FCS programs like NDSU, North Dakota, Montana, Northern Iowa, etc) where they divy themselves up in general chaos except for the mostly private schools that breath a sigh of relief and create a more competitive Ivy League style of league.
Others just drop down to the FCS where they belong now anyway.
Be gone realignment bullshite. Accept our new NFL system and give us back some of our sanity.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 2:04 pm
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Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Unless you can make sure SEC and Big 10 schools will make more money in this scenario, it won't happen.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
bring on relegation! top 2 teams from each division go to 1 tier and so on and so forth
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:33 pm to SummerOfGeorge
3 years ago I would have called you bad names for such a suggestion, but the landscape has totally changed, it's the NCAA's fault, and they have no way of fixing any of it, or any idea where to start. The NCAA is officially an incompetent organization when it comes to managing things like this. These new guidelines they are drafting over the next two months are two years too late.
At this point, the shortest path to organization is the professional path, we are too far away from the amateurism because the NCAA waited too long to put some boundaries and processes around NIL and the transfer portal.
At this point, the shortest path to organization is the professional path, we are too far away from the amateurism because the NCAA waited too long to put some boundaries and processes around NIL and the transfer portal.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:36 pm to deeprig9
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3 years ago I would have called you bad names for such a suggestion, but the landscape has totally changed, it's the NCAA's fault, and they have no way of fixing any of it, or any idea where to start. The NCAA is officially an incompetent organization when it comes to managing things like this. These new guidelines they are drafting over the next two months are two years too late.
At this point, the shortest path to organization is the professional path, we are too far away from the amateurism because the NCAA waited too long to put some boundaries and processes around NIL and the transfer portal.
Exactly my thoughts. This whole thing already is parts of the professional game but without the infrastructure and guardrails in place. Conferences are "conferences" in name only. They are increasingly ridiculous in their makeup. We have payment systems without contracts or regulation. We have a playoff system without a defined path that doesn't include humans voting. It's just a mish mash of the worst of college and parts of the professional setup.
At some point there are going to be 2-3 conferences anyway, and maybe it ends up being a 20 team B1G, a 20 team SEC and a 16 team BXII or something. But that sucks. All the money to be made is still there to be made in a top down, all together system. It's the same game with the same teams (better, actually, since you trim some of the fat). Everyone will make a gazillion dollars, still. But the product and the infrastructure of it will be much, much better.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:39 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The HBCU's could have their own league as well
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:39 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The South division is just the OG members of the SEC minus vanderbilt and plus Florida State. I can get behind this.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:49 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I can get behind this
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:55 pm to SummerOfGeorge
So you want to dissolve the SEC. That’s what you are saying. And why would Mississippi State make the cut in your imaginary, biased mind. No amount of wishful thinking on this board will ever accomplish its task. FSU is not a member! Vandy is! Move on.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:57 pm to SummerOfGeorge
They should take the group of 50 and draw names out of a "hat" every year for scheduling. It would be awesome.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:59 pm to morriscat2
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So you want to dissolve the SEC
Yes, I want to dissolve conferences for football specifically. While the SEC is still generally a conference that resembles it's historical self, it is basically the only one left. "Conferences" in general are nothing more than corporations with the schools as stockholders getting a yearly dividend.
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And why would Mississippi State make the cut in your imaginary, biased mind?
Mississippi State is #30 nationally in attendance, averaging > 50,000 people per game. They invest in their program at a Top 25 national level in terms of facilities. They've finished ranked 8 times in the last 30 years. They've been to 13 straight bowl games.
I don't "want" to get rid of Vanderbilt, but Vanderbilt does not treat football like anyone else in this league or other Top 50 programs do. They don't have facilities like other Top 50 programs do. They don't compete on the field as a Top 50 program. They don't support the program as a Top 50 program. Much like some of the others currently in Power Conferences who didn't make the cut - Duke, Georgia Tech, Northwestern, Cal, Indiana.
It is what it is.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:03 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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They should take the group of 50 and draw names out of a "hat" every year for scheduling. It would be awesome.
The more I think about it the more I think the schedule should probably have more cross-pollination between the regions, which would mean you don't play the other 9 teams in your own region.
Or, you play 14-15 regular season games (more like the NFL but not quite 17).
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Vandy is pouring 300 million into stadium improvements. With an AAU status and a 12 billion endowment in a large city, you pick State. If you were fair minded, you would throw both overboard. But this is all about the public school fraternity. If we were highly successful in football, the hate would still be there, just like the hatred toward our baseball program. How many times have when been accused of an unfair advantage because we won 2 CWS.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:06 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The east and west teams would have absolute jokes of schedules if this happened.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:08 pm to morriscat2
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Vandy is pouring 300 million into stadium improvements.
Which puts them on par with places like Cincinnati, Colorado State and other mid-majors that have built or totally renovated their stadiums in the past 10 years.
Vanderbilt averages roughly 30,000 people per game, and a large chunk of that is made up of visitors in their conference games.
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With an AAU status and a 12 billion endowment in a large city, you pick State.
This is a football league. This is not a University conference like traditional leagues are. The idea that Vanderbilt's academic status (which is fantastic) and the attached endowment (which is entirely academic based) has anything to do with this is silly. Penn and Harvard are not candidates for this either. They are both elite Universities in major US Cities with massive endowments.
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If you were fair minded, you would throw both overboard.
State would certainly be on the bottom edge of this sort of thing, and possibly would get dropped for a program that people saw as having a higher ceiling (UCF for instance). But as of now State is a Top 30-35 college football program in every metric that exists - performance, investment, fan support, etc.
20 years ago? They'd be treated the same way Washington State is getting treated.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:09 pm to ForeverGator
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The east and west teams would have absolute jokes of schedules if this happened.
Yea, their regions would suck. Those regions would also likely only get 1 team into the playoffs (the winner), while the South would get 3-4 (winner + 2-3 at large) and the Midwest 3 (winner + 2 at large) or something to that effect based on the coefficients.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:13 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Well you might just get your way. But you will not like the end product. Throwing out a charter member because you desire even more than 100 million a year is a league with no morals. And we have plenty of that in the broader culture. I don’t like a lot of things about Vandy, especially the politics. But 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:15 pm to morriscat2
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Well you might just get your way. But you will not like the end product. Throwing out a charter member because you desire even more than 100 million a year is a league with no morals. And we have plenty of that in the broader culture.
Listen, personally, I'd hope Vanderbilt stuck around in this whole scenario. Hopefully the stadium renovation finishes up, Lea keeps building and Vanderbilt is in a nice spot in 3-4 years when the current collapsing setup finally breaths it's last breath.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Well perhaps you are fair minded. My compliments. Please believe me, there are Vandy fans who want the liberal culture destroyed there. I have been literally praying for just that. And make no mistake, the faulty football program lays at the feet of liberal fools.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:34 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Downvoting because I must as an SEC fan but your general scenario is probably spot on. Relegation/promotion would keep things interesting and should happen if something like this goes through.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 2:34 pm
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