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re: Many schools have been gypped out of national titles, but 1983 Auburn was one of the worst
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:29 pm to AUTiger789
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:29 pm to AUTiger789
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Yes, but Bama was gifted the title the very next season in 1978 which it did not deserve. Same scenario as 1964. Neither of those titles were earned by Bama despite them winning the trophy.
Meh. The AP awarded their national champion after the end of the regular season in 1964. You may not like it but those were the rules at the time. As for 1978, yes USC did defeat Alabama in a close game early in the season but they also lost a month LATER to an unranked Arizona State team that had been blown out in its losses that season. Right or wrong, bad losses later in the season have traditionally carried more weight than even competitive head to head wins when judging two teams at the end of the season which is why Alabama got the nod that year.
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Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:43 pm to Govt Tide
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Meh. The AP awarded their national champion after the end of the regular season in 1964. You may not like it but those were the rules at the time.
Those rules suck. Bama lost to Texas in a bowl game. Arkansas went undefeated and won their bowl game. They also beat Texas. Bama owns the AP title that year but it’s completely undeserved.
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As for 1978, yes USC did defeat Alabama in a close game early in the season but they also lost a month LATER to an unranked Arizona State team that had been blown out in its losses that season.
USC won the AP title because the AP changed its ways after the 1964 debacle and awarded its trophy AFTER the bowl games. Bama won the 1978 UPI title because it was awarded BEFORE its bowl game loss. An absolute scandal that caused them too to change its timing of awarding trophies until after bowl games.
Basically 2 of Bama’s titles (the ones they actually won and didn’t invent) were undeserved and were so scandalous that the rewarding institutions changed their rules the very next season because they made a mistake.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:00 am to Govt Tide
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As for 1978, yes USC did defeat Alabama in a close game early in the season but they also lost a month LATER to an unranked Arizona State team that had been blown out in its losses that season. Right or wrong, bad losses later in the season have traditionally carried more weight than even competitive head to head wins when judging two teams at the end of the season which is why Alabama got the nod that year.
I always chuckle at this one. The team that won head to head claims that head to head is more important. The team that lost the head to head claims that losing last carries more importance.
We see the same thing with Auburn in '83 but with a bit of a different spin. Auburn lost early in the season to Texas but Miami lost in game one against Florida.
One wonders if Auburn had clobbered Michigan instead of eaking by if they wouldn't have gotten it over Miami.
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