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re: "You have to run the ball in the red zone to be a good team" Gus
Posted on 9/3/18 at 8:06 am to AA7
Posted on 9/3/18 at 8:06 am to AA7
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Gus is right whether you like it or not. You have to be able to run the ball. You can’t only run the ball, but if you don’t have some type of ground game down there you end up looking like OM did under Freeze.
Yeah, but Gus's philosophy when he gets inside the 20 yard line is run it, run it, SAVE ME JARRET (<---insert names of other Auburn QBs under Gus here).
Here are Gus/Chip's play calls vs. Washington after Auburn got a 1st down inside the 20:
1st and 10 at the UW 13 - Jarret Stidham run for no gain
2nd and 10 at the UW 13 - Kam Martin run for 3 yds
3rd and 10 at the UW 13 - SAVE ME JARRETT! (and he did for a TD)
1st and 10 at the UW 19 - Stidham pass to Davis for 1 yd (safe and short)
2nd and 9 at the UW 18 - Martin run for 4 yds
3rd and 5 at the UW 14 - SAVE ME JARRETT! (incomplete to Slayton, FG Gus activated)
1st and 10 at the UW 20 - Boobie Whitlow run for 2 yds
2nd and 8 at the UW 18 - Stidham run for 3 yds
3rd and 5 at the UW 15 - SAVE ME JARRETT! (incomplete to Cannella, FG Gus activated, missed)
1st and 10 at the UW 13 - Whitlow run for no gain
2nd and 10 at the UW 13 - Stidham run for 3 yds
3rd and 7 at the UW 10 - SAVE ME JARRETT! (incomplete, FG Gus activated)
1st and 10 at the UW 13 - Martin run for 2 yds
2nd and 8 at the UW 11 - Martin run for 1 yd
3rd and 7 at the UW 10 - Whitlow run for 10 and a TD (no SAVE ME JARRETT here, because FG Gus was clearly happy to play and settle for a FG and leave it to Chris Peterson and UW to kick a game winner, this after seeing UW score a TD in barely a minute at the end of the 1st half)
And then, to add to Gus/Chips "never take a risk unless its letting your H-Back pass the ball" philosophy, we got the ball back after UW's quick TD at the end of the 1st half with :43 seconds and TOs in our pocket. And Gus/Chip chose to do nothing. But, with :06 seconds left Gus calls a timeout and the team comes out and completes... a short pass. WTF was all that?
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Posted on 9/3/18 at 8:30 am to CaptainBrannigan
This area is where having a mobile QB is so helpful with Gus's style of offense.
Posted on 9/3/18 at 8:30 am to CaptainBrannigan
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Yes we had a pass td in the red zone, then we went away from it.
You should re-watch the game. You aren't even close to being correct.
Posted on 9/3/18 at 9:00 am to beatbammer
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run it, run it, SAVE ME JARRET (<---insert names of other Auburn QBs under Gus here).
Lol
I know at least one of those runs by Stidham on 2nd down was a called pass play. Not sure about the other.
Will you only be happy if we throw it on 1st and 2nd down and run it on 3rd?
Why didnt Stidham pull the trigger in those 2nd down passes?
quote:oh okay. Then we took a knee and went to the locker room then. I forgot that.
And then, to add to Gus/Chips "never take a risk unless its letting your H-Back pass the ball" philosophy, we got the ball back after UW's quick TD at the end of the 1st half with :43 seconds and TOs in our pocket. And Gus/Chip chose to do nothing.
Posted on 9/3/18 at 9:06 am to LanierSpots
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This area is where having a mobile QB is so helpful with Gus's style of offense.
I think its pretty clear that Gus doesn't trust any QB not named Cam Newton in the red zone.
Hell, he didn't even fully trust the wizardry of Nick Marshall (see: 2014 Iron Bowl).
Posted on 9/3/18 at 9:09 am to joeyb147
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I know at least one of those runs by Stidham on 2nd down was a called pass play.
Yeah, a roll out where the play was "if the ONE receiver you're allowed to have on this play isn't open, don't throw it".
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Will you only be happy if we throw it on 1st and 2nd down and run it on 3rd?
No, what I would be happy with is to NOT BE UTTERLY PREDICTABLE.
Y'all seem to think that Gus constantly kicking FGs in the red zone is just some kind of freak series of events that we are being randomly punished with from the clear blue sky.
Its not.
Posted on 9/3/18 at 9:30 am to beatbammer
For some perspective... AU ranked 49th nationally at red zone TD percentage... and 18th in red zone FGs made.
Both stats show auburn is average in the red zone... but hardly the disaster some make it out to be.
Both stats show auburn is average in the red zone... but hardly the disaster some make it out to be.
Posted on 9/3/18 at 9:49 am to lowspark12
Not sure why anyone thinks you "don't have to run the ball in the red zone"...you absolutely need to do it.
Gus' is problem is OL. We haven't had a short yardage, move the pile type OL since 2013. The problems began to show themselves in 2014 against MSU. I am cautiously optimistic this OL has the talent to develop into that type of OL. I haven't believed that possible in 2015, 2016 or 2017.
Why didn't UW throw it every play in the red zone? Because it isn't a successful formula long term.
Gus' is problem is OL. We haven't had a short yardage, move the pile type OL since 2013. The problems began to show themselves in 2014 against MSU. I am cautiously optimistic this OL has the talent to develop into that type of OL. I haven't believed that possible in 2015, 2016 or 2017.
Why didn't UW throw it every play in the red zone? Because it isn't a successful formula long term.
This post was edited on 9/3/18 at 9:51 am
Posted on 9/3/18 at 9:56 am to Tigerman97
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Not sure why anyone thinks you "don't have to run the ball in the red zone"...you absolutely need to do it.
I am more inclined to favor balanced offenses. Sure you have to run the ball. You also need to be able to pass and to be unpredictable when doing so if you want to be a good team. We got the resources to be a great passing offense. Instead of bashing our heads into the wall trying to inpose our will as a running team, why don’t we actually play to our strengths? That said, I still believe we are criminally under utilizing NCM and I’m speaking with some bias.
Posted on 9/3/18 at 10:19 am to jangalang
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We got the resources to be a great passing offense. Instead of bashing our heads into the wall trying to inpose our will as a running team, why don’t we actually play to our strengths? That said, I still believe we are criminally under utilizing NCM and I’m speaking with some bias.
The same reason every other team in the country doesn't simply try to throw it in from the 10 yard line. It's hard to do. Pick plays and fade routes are about the only thing that works consistently in that small of a space. One requires a ref to ignore the obvious foul...subjective. The other is pretty low percentage, especially with the nature of our WR's.
I'm not saying we shouldn't try, but there is a reason nobody does it successfully against any decent defense. The odds aren't in your favor.
Posted on 9/3/18 at 10:29 am to CaptainBrannigan
I would love to see an I formation package when we're inside the 15.
Posted on 9/3/18 at 10:35 am to Tigerman97
Teams like Oklahoma, OK State, Ohio State, and others say that a balanced red zone offense is achievable.
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Posted on 9/3/18 at 10:49 am to jangalang
LOL at using Big 12 teams...they don't play D's like Auburn faces week in and out.
Honestly, Ohio State doesn't either.
I said I'd like to see us more balanced, but IMO we don't have the WR's to throw fades. The Williams kid fits the measurables and so does Sal. If we have a pick play I don't remember seeing it, but RD would likely be good on it with NCM. Other than that you'd have to find a better way to use the tightend and that guy isn't on our roster right now.
Honestly, Ohio State doesn't either.
I said I'd like to see us more balanced, but IMO we don't have the WR's to throw fades. The Williams kid fits the measurables and so does Sal. If we have a pick play I don't remember seeing it, but RD would likely be good on it with NCM. Other than that you'd have to find a better way to use the tightend and that guy isn't on our roster right now.
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