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re: We're 7-2. Frick all the haters
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:39 pm to jangalang
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:39 pm to jangalang
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The lapse in OL recruiting has already happened. He already eats that blame.
So, we hate our coach because next years OL my or may not suck?
Gus, facts be damned, is a poor recruiter so should be fired? Is that really your take or did you just read some message board shite?
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Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:50 pm to borotiger
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Gus, facts be damned, is a poor recruiter so should be fired?
You are entitled to your opinion, but not to your own damned facts. There has been cause to fire him for years now. His poor recruitment of the OL is just one reason to cut bait.
This post was edited on 11/4/19 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 11/4/19 at 10:00 pm to jangalang
Some of you have hinted at this, but what the hell are we? Power run team, finesse gadget play team, hunh team, 4 wide and throw 50 times? It's like Gus tries to do all, but not very well. In some type of upside-down world, we have the best tackling defense in cfb, the best DL in cfb, but we hired this guy to run the O, and the O doesn't really work. Strange times.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 7:05 am to MexicanBurtReynolds
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Some of you have hinted at this, but what the hell are we?
Nobody knows man. No identity at all. No two drives are the same. Big issue.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:37 am to LanierSpots
What gets me is that with better QB play on the road, were undefeated and playing for a playoff birth.
Gus has actually put us in position to win these games and the players failed. Has Gus been perfect? hell no.
Gus has actually put us in position to win these games and the players failed. Has Gus been perfect? hell no.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:46 am to AuburnTigers
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What gets me is that with better QB play on the road, were undefeated and playing for a playoff birth.
Gus has actually put us in position to win these games and the players failed. Has Gus been perfect? hell no.
Let's not paint this as overly broad here. Our defense has put ourselves in position to win these games. Our offense has caused us to lose them.
You want to give Gus credit for that because he hired this defensive staff, that is fine, but that is being quite obtuse. The aspect of this team that Gus took over and has complete control over is failing pretty miserably.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 9:38 am to GoCrazyAuburn
The reason I don't believe all the blame can be laid upon the feet of the OL and recruiting is because there is a reason our recruiting has lagged.
Our offense is viewed as not preparing kids for the next level...that is being used against us. I also don't believe this is simply system, these statements review to what's going on behind the scenes as well. IMO this might have been averted had Gus made a next level OL hire, but IMO Gus doesn't think he needs that to compete or didn't and now it may be to late. Maybe Gus tried to make that hire, but he also has a reputations as a staff micromanager and couldn't get it done. Anyway you look at it Gus is to blame.
The crazy part is with a true DT QB you don't need the best OL. The fear a defense has in a DTQB taking off and running freezes the LB's, stunting DL's and safeties on every run play for a split second and average OL can get on the 2nd level blocks much easier. Of course, the trade off is generally passing consistency.
Our offense is viewed as not preparing kids for the next level...that is being used against us. I also don't believe this is simply system, these statements review to what's going on behind the scenes as well. IMO this might have been averted had Gus made a next level OL hire, but IMO Gus doesn't think he needs that to compete or didn't and now it may be to late. Maybe Gus tried to make that hire, but he also has a reputations as a staff micromanager and couldn't get it done. Anyway you look at it Gus is to blame.
The crazy part is with a true DT QB you don't need the best OL. The fear a defense has in a DTQB taking off and running freezes the LB's, stunting DL's and safeties on every run play for a split second and average OL can get on the 2nd level blocks much easier. Of course, the trade off is generally passing consistency.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:38 am to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:defense gave up a 70+ pass to start the game and a 70+ yard run to seal the loss. Lets not gloss over this fact either
Let's not paint this as overly broad here. Our defense has put ourselves in position to win these games. Our offense has caused us to lose them.
Bo missed a slant pass that would have gave us a TD and the lead. We were right there and had opportunities to win.
Against LSU, we had opportunities and didnt capitalize. INT right before halftime, wide open AS on a curl route that could easily have gone for a TD etc. The opportunities were there
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:49 am to AuburnTigers
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defense gave up a 70+ pass to start the game and a 70+ yard run to seal the loss. Lets not gloss over this fact either
Bo missed a slant pass that would have gave us a TD and the lead. We were right there and had opportunities to win.
Against LSU, we had opportunities and didnt capitalize. INT right before halftime, wide open AS on a curl route that could easily have gone for a TD etc. The opportunities were there
By your own argument, you are saying that the coaches put the players in a chance to win but they didnt execute. That is very different than what we have been hearing here.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 12:09 pm to Tigerman97
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Our offense is viewed as not preparing kids for the next level...that is being used against us. I also don't believe this is simply system, these statements review to what's going on behind the scenes as well. IMO this might have been averted had Gus made a next level OL hire, but IMO Gus doesn't think he needs that to compete or didn't and now it may be to late. Maybe Gus tried to make that hire, but he also has a reputations as a staff micromanager and couldn't get it done. Anyway you look at it Gus is to blame.
If I have a big issue with Gus it is in this area and the DT QB. I know he sacrificed because everyone thought WTF, we aren't an SEC defense anymore!!! However, we won a championship and went to another. I think you can have a solid D, but for Malzahn to be successful he has to be high flying. That may mean more time on the field for our D and bad stats.
Also, I agree with the OL part. I usually say scheme because that is what negative recruiting will say. That definitely can go away with a top OL coach in place.
Like I said in another post somewhere. Gus screwed himself and should have stuck to what worked. So he gets all the blame and gets any and all credit due is well, and that is my argument against the anti-Gus crowd.
Lanier said it already. I don't think Gus has time to get back to what made him successful on Offense. It's almost a given his time will be short at AU.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 11/5/19 at 12:29 pm to LanierSpots
quote:yes and no. Gus has entire Quarters where he has the yips as a play caller and completely brain farts.
By your own argument, you are saying that the coaches put the players in a chance to win but they didnt execute. That is very different than what we have been hearing here.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 12:43 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Lanier said it already. I don't think Gus has time to get back to what made him successful on Offense. It's almost a given his time will be short at AU.
Gus passed up on Lamar Jackson for Tyler Queen
Posted on 11/5/19 at 12:47 pm to Fear The Thumb
I just don't remember that recruitment of Jackson, but frick me living if that was the case.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:25 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
If I recall correctly, we were slow playing Lamar for Deondre Francois. Lamar visited Louisville/Petrino and made a surprise commitment.
Lamar was a 3 star, #17 DT QB that year. I think a lot of people underestimated Lamar.
Lamar was a 3 star, #17 DT QB that year. I think a lot of people underestimated Lamar.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:28 pm to COAUTiger
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:45 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
If I remember correctly Lamar wanted to go to Auburn but we never offered him.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:49 pm to Fear The Thumb
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If I remember correctly Lamar wanted to go to Auburn but we never offered him.
That sounds pretty easy but I dont think it was quite that clean. There had to be more to it than that but like posted above, nobody knew he would be as good as he was. Not even Patrino.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:02 pm to LanierSpots
Yea, the Lamar Jackson argument is a thin one. Hindsight being what it is sucks, but Lamar Jackson wasn't some hot shot recruit. He was a very good athlete for sure, but if we want to argue this, Queen was a higher ranked prospect than Jackson was.
It sucks we missed on him, but he was down on our boards. We didn't really go hard for him until late in the process. We had higher rated kids above him, as did almost everybody. Sucks, but that is the reality of recruiting.
What I will fault Malzahn for when it comes to recruiting on offense, is a total lack of a consistent plan. QB recruiting is completely inconsistent to style of play and skill set. Yes, Gus prioritizes the ability to hit the deep ball, but that is a pretty poor base to make be one of your priorities for a QB. We keep jumping back and forth between styles, there is no consistency. RB, its the same thing. Yes we've gotten talented recruits, but rarely is there a theme to a RB we recruit. We recruit kids that can do something very well, they are a good athlete or whatever, so that we can use them in certain ways.
It sucks we missed on him, but he was down on our boards. We didn't really go hard for him until late in the process. We had higher rated kids above him, as did almost everybody. Sucks, but that is the reality of recruiting.
What I will fault Malzahn for when it comes to recruiting on offense, is a total lack of a consistent plan. QB recruiting is completely inconsistent to style of play and skill set. Yes, Gus prioritizes the ability to hit the deep ball, but that is a pretty poor base to make be one of your priorities for a QB. We keep jumping back and forth between styles, there is no consistency. RB, its the same thing. Yes we've gotten talented recruits, but rarely is there a theme to a RB we recruit. We recruit kids that can do something very well, they are a good athlete or whatever, so that we can use them in certain ways.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:24 pm to Fear The Thumb
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If I remember correctly Lamar wanted to go to Auburn but we never offered him.
Auburn offered him but Petrino sold him more on what he could do with him. I don’t remember how aggressive AU was on him. AU had signed Sean White the year before and then Tyler Queen. Seems that’s when the mental shift happened to go to a throwing QB.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:26 pm to Rhino5
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Auburn offered him but Petrino sold him more on what he could do with him. I don’t remember how aggressive AU was on him. AU had signed Sean White the year before and then Tyler Queen. Seems that’s when the mental shift happened to go to a throwing QB.
We also went hard after Francois. When we lost him, we tried to jump in on Jackson, but Petrino had been on him longer I believe, as well as what you had mentioned.
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