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Tuberville and Joe Manchin and the NIL

Posted on 8/3/22 at 7:44 pm
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 8/3/22 at 7:44 pm
Haven't seen this here (before now) and found it interesting.

Tommy Tuber and Joe Manchin are jointly heading a bipartisan effort to draft a NIL Bill in an effort to level the playing field.

They have jointly contacted SEC commissioner Greg Sankey with this excerpt
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Today, student-athletes, college and university administrators, athletic directors, and athletic conferences face uncertainty in a rapidly evolving NIL landscape. The arms race of NIL implementation has already far exceeded the original post-Alston intent of ensuring that players are equitably compensated for the use of their name, image, and likeness. A lack of clear, enforceable rules is creating an environment that potentially allows for the exploitation of student-athletes by unregulated entities, prioritizes short-term financial gain over careful investment in one’s career and the lifelong value of education, and diminishes the role of coaches, mentors, and athletic staff while empowering wealthy boosters. In short, we are rapidly accelerating down a path that leads away from the traditional values associated with scholastic athletic competition.

as well as Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff

According to SI:
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Since 2019, at least eight federal NIL bills have been filed,.. Despite more than a half-dozen congressional hearings on the topic, NIL proposals in both the House and the Senate have failed to gain enough support to move through either body. In the past, Republicans and Democrats have disagreed on both the scope (broad vs. narrow) and concepts (permissive vs. restrictive) of an NIL bill.


and also in the article

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Tuberville and Manchin are in the infancy stage of gathering a framework for their potential legislation, and so it is too early to publicly comment on possible concepts, Tuberville says. “We are not getting involved with the [NIL] money. We want to get into some rules—who you can give money and how. Something like that,” he says. “We don’t know the direction this is going to take us. We want to come up with something that we can sell to both sides of the aisle.” The NCAA is hesitant to sanction programs over NIL because the association is “afraid of lawsuits,” Tuberville says, something SI explored.


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ME: This sounds like a better start than the other attempts.
Posted by Rig
BHM
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 8/3/22 at 7:50 pm to
Is this proposed in the German government?
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 8/3/22 at 8:04 pm to
I’m not a fan of Tuberville’s political IQ. If he is co-championing it, regardless of his position as ex HC, I’m guessing it doesn’t pass. He says some really dumb shite.
Posted by ThaiTiger24
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 8/3/22 at 8:22 pm to
This might be the only thing Tuberville is qualified to do as an elected representative
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
10923 posts
Posted on 8/3/22 at 8:40 pm to
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might be the only thing Tuberville is qualified to do
Was my take as well.

May be the one thing he doesn't need to poll on. That and him and Manchin could possibly break some barriers.
Posted by BowlJackson
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Posted on 8/3/22 at 8:40 pm to
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Joe Manchin


Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 8/3/22 at 8:48 pm to
Our Politicians were intended to come from all walks of life. Teachers, coaches, farmers, factory workers, doctors, ex-military... That's the problem now we have professional politicians and lawyers that run the country. A few business people make it in but so much of the ideas of the country by having such a "political class"
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
16522 posts
Posted on 8/3/22 at 10:58 pm to
My take is create a set of rules for all. If you don't want to play by those rules no one is making you play college football. Take it up with the NFL to take players from high school or try arena leagues, USFL or other such professional organizations.

No one is making these players play. If you don't want your image and likeness used outside of a broadcast sue whoever is using it. If you don't like that then don't play college football.

With NIL currently it sounds like the players either need a players union, players association with representatives, or become individual LLCs.

And before anyone says you can't set a cap on how much someone's worth is. They do it in pro sports they make it so the roster can only be so much thus capping players earnings.
Posted by chimes
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 8/3/22 at 11:18 pm to
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Our Politicians were intended to come from all walks of life. Teachers, coaches, farmers, factory workers, doctors, ex-military... That's the problem now we have professional politicians and lawyers that run the country. A few business people make it in but so much of the ideas of the country by having such a "political class"


This is simply not true. The Founding Fathers were elites, and the socioeconomic makeup of our elected officials largely remains unchanged over the past 230+ years. The Electoral College was literally written into existence due to the prevailing fear that “regular folks” would elect the wrong guy to run the country. Harkening back to the “good ol’ days” has always been a crutch for the ignorant.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 8/3/22 at 11:55 pm to
Wrong.

So George Washington was an elite? Was a military leader, became the first president, and gave power back to the people to elect another leader.

But yes Congress was intended to be by the people and of the people. Plus they didn't go to DC but about for 2 months out of a year if that long because they had jobs and farms to return to.

Even Lincoln was elite? coming from absolute poverty living in a log cabin?

See you want to skim the top and not look at what's underneath. That's truly for the ignorant.

But yes our elected officials are supposed to come from the regular folk
Posted by chimes
Member since Apr 2014
43 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 2:55 am to
You say I want to “skim the top” - whatever the hell that means- yet the names you pull out are Washington and Lincoln? Nowhere did I single out Presidents; nor did I say that every single elected official who’s ever served was born into an elite family. Abraham Lincoln was not. George Washington absolutely was. The Washingtons were one of the wealthiest planter families in the colonies long before George and were the epitome of elite by any definition. He was rich and powerful literally his entire life. Nothing else that you regurgitated about him was relevant in any way.

If “guys on money” is your sweet spot then you would’ve done much better throwing out Andrew Jackson or even Ulysses Grant.

Go find some teenagers to flex on. I’m sure you can dazzle them with that beautiful mind of yours.
Posted by chimes
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 3:00 am to
Forgot to add that Lincoln was a lawyer, idiot.
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
10923 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 6:09 am to
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Forgot to add that Lincoln was a lawyer
. . . and hated Republican.





(t'was first Republican President)
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
16522 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 6:10 am to
But he didn’t come from a pile of elites like say the Kennedy’s the Bush’s. Idiot. You have no idea what our founding fathers were about. They were influenced by the masses in construction of the best document ever created. Southern farmers influenced their decision, Puritans and other religious groups, lawyers yes… exactly how it should have been constructed. With thoughts and consequences coming from all ranges of people.

Just like our government should be for the people by the people. From all walks of life not just political science majors, academics, lawyers. Which make up 90% of our federal elected officials. That’s not what the intent of our founders were.
Posted by allin2010
Auburn
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 6:12 am to
Two words would go a long way in fixing Washington.

TERM LIMITS
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
16522 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 6:15 am to
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Go find some teenagers to flex on. I’m sure you can dazzle them with that beautiful mind of yours.


You alway know when you are winning a debate when comments like this just happen to pop in.

Premise still remains the same whether you like Tubs as an elected official or not, whether you think he is qualified or not, he won the election for the seat he has therefore he has a voice regardless of how anyone feels about his votes on policy or law.

But to get it back on topic. This thread is about NIL and if regulations should be put on it or some type of guidelines every competing member has to follow. Obviously we can tell it’s a broken system already.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
16522 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 6:19 am to
Totally agree. 3 term for the house = 6 years total. 2 terms for the senate = 12 years total.

Eliminate all lobbying. Financial disclosure if you don’t have a personal business and your only source of earned income comes the federal government.

Flat tax no matter the tax bracket. (Which taxes aren’t constitutional to begin with). Wouldn’t it be nice for the power to go back to the states and the federal have to ask the states for money instead of the other way around.

That would fix many issues.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
16522 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 6:34 am to
Electoral College: A System Born of Compromise
At the time of the Philadelphia convention, no other country in the world directly elected its chief executive, so the delegates were wading into uncharted territory. Further complicating the task was a deep-rooted distrust of executive power. After all, the fledgling nation had just fought its way out from under a tyrannical king and overreaching colonial governors. They didn’t want another despot on their hands.
One group of delegates felt strongly that Congress shouldn’t have anything to do with picking the president. Too much opportunity for chummy corruption between the executive and legislative branches.

Another camp was dead set against letting the people elect the president by a straight popular vote. First, they thought 18th-century voters lacked the resources to be fully informed about the candidates, especially in rural outposts. Second, they feared a headstrong “democratic mob” steering the country astray. And third, a populist president appealing directly to the people could command dangerous amounts of power.

Stolen from an article. Like I explained it was from multiple voices impacting the creation and implementation of the EC. From distrust of an “elite ruler” another king. Also do more research on the influence from the anti government church folks. Like the Anglican, Catholic, or Church of England folks later that submitted to the UK. Our Protestant colonizers didn’t want a king over the church. Why Protestants came to the new land. South Carolina didn’t want blacks voting. Originally only land owners could vote knocking out the black vote and women which has since been corrected. So the premise on that was own land 1 vote.

Hence the old thought and a line from Oh brother… you ain’t no kind of man if you ain’t got land.
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
10923 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 6:57 am to
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regardless of how anyone feels about his votes on policy or law.
.. . . Obviously we can tell it’s a broken system already.


Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36229 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 7:05 am to
Tuberville somehow suddenly became a successful stock swing trader while in Congress. He is just more rotten values in congress
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