The Auburn 4- Why did Goodwin get 15 years?

The others may have pleaded and he didn't.

The justice system needs to be fixed though so you are on to something.

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The others may have pleaded and he didn't. 

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The plea deal he was offered was 21 years in prison. The trail was the right decision.

I didn't get the last part.

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that is the risk you run for using up the DA's time. If they pleaded down then it would have saved the state a ton of money and the DA office a lot of time. You can't expect the same sentence if you don't plead down.

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So now "justice" is vengeance on a plaintiff for pissing off the government? Not for the actual law that was broken?

That sounds pretty fricked up to me. Know why? Because it says in the CONSTITUTION that every citizen has a RIGHT to a fair trial.

So you're saying we have a justice system that punishes people for exercising their RIGHTS? You know what, I believe you.

And if that doesn't worry you as much as it does me...

Im going to upvote this. Record this moment.
Nice lengthy read on a local example of how the justice system is fricked up. Private prisons are one of the big reasons
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That sounds pretty fricked up to me. Know why? Because it says in the CONSTITUTION that every citizen has a RIGHT to a fair trial.

So you're saying we have a justice system that punishes people for exercising their RIGHTS? You know what, I believe you.

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They aren't being punished more for exercising their right to a fair trial, they just receive punishment more in line with the crime if they don't plea. A lot of the time that a plea deal is offered is because the DA has a full plate and don't want to frick with it and/or doesn't have a great case so they are willing to plea it down to bare minimum sentence.

And for the record, after being on jury duty a couple times, my biggest fear in this world is trial by a jury of my "peers". Sitting there before getting chosen for jury, the judge asked who wanted to be there and I was literally the only person to raise their hand. He asked me why I didn't want to be there and I told him that I had a job that depended on me and didn't have the time to be there. That right there makes the rest of the jury pool not my peer.

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And for the record, after being on jury duty a couple times, my biggest fear in this world is trial by a jury of my "peers".

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Oh, I agree with you 100%. Juries scare the hell out of me.

I was on a criminal jury... a rape trial. The DA did his best, but he never presented a single piece of evidence that said that the guy accused of the rape actually raped the woman. The trial basically came down to she said-he said.

Got into the jury room and all but two of us on first vote voted "guilty". I think one reason why was that the accused was an Asian guy, i.e. he was "different" ergo he was GUILTY. But I actually took "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" seriously and I did not intend to vote to send a man in prison for something he either didn't do or MIGHT NOT have done.

Might he have committed the crime? Sure... always that possibility. But there sure as hell was a serious lack of actual PROOF that he did. The jury ended up voting not guilty. The accusers family stood up and screamed at the jury after the verdict. Later I got nice letters from both the judge and the DA apologizing for being subject to that abuse and thanking me for my jury service (I assume everyone on the jury got one).

Being a responsible citizen on a jury isn't easy, especially on juries considering crimes of violence. My experience on a jury convinced me that there are lots and lot of innocent people rotting in prison these days. And that ultimately changed my thinking on capital punishment (I'm now against it).

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im going to upvote this. Record this moment.
Nice lengthy read on a local example of how the justice system is fricked up. Private prisons are one of the big reasons
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I only read the first story but I'm not sure how this is an example of a broken system? How do you punish someone that breaks the law and refuses the first form of punishment? Now I get that the $31 a day is ridiculous and shouldn't be there but how do you punish someone who refuses to be punished on their own accord? So because someone is riding disability they should have free reign to do whatever they want because they can't afford the ticket anyway? All of this type stuff is slippery slope and if you let one get away with it, there will be thousands trying the same excuses. You HAVE to draw a line in the sand.

I am in construction and do you have any idea how many times someone will try to park in a work zone with the excuse of "I'll just be a minute"? A. It is never a minute, it is usually 5 to 10 minutes. B. If I let everyone with that bullshite excuse do it, I get nothing done because everyone will do it.

Do you see what I am getting at? Making exceptions gives people ammo to try to force you to make the same exception for them, you just have to draw the line and stop everything there.

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So now "justice" is vengeance on a plaintiff for pissing off the government? Not for the actual law that was broken?

That sounds pretty fricked up to me. Know why? Because it says in the CONSTITUTION that every citizen has a RIGHT to a fair trial.

So you're saying we have a justice system that punishes people for exercising their RIGHTS? You know what, I believe you.

And if that doesn't worry you as much as it does me...

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You're backwards. It's not punishment for going to trial. The plea deal is a "you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours" deal. Don't waste my time, and I will help you get off easier. It's not perfect, but it's practical.

If you want to exercise your right to a fair trial, then the DA is going to try you on the original crimes and not ask for leniency. You get a fair punishment to go with that fair trial.

Well for one debtor prisons are illegal. It is morally wrong for cities to vamp up its revenue by exploiting its citizens living in poverty as well. I have many links that illustrate how fricked up the system is.


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