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re: So what's our starting lineup projected to look like?
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:47 am to jangalang
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:47 am to jangalang
quote:who said that?
If y'all are claiming a 265 pound DE is necessary to be elite
do you think cowart was an effective de early in 2015 at 280 lbs? yes or no?
do you think anyone will say that prince tega has to be 265 lbs at 6'8?
quote:who is getting worked up?
are getting worked up about?
there has been two posts about it
your straw man arguments are tiresome
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Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:50 am to jangalang
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If y'all are claiming a 265 pound DE is necessary to be elite,
Clearly you don't understand how your height affects how you hold weight.
No one is saying you can't be >265lb and be elite at DE, we are saying it is hard for you to be elite if you are only ~6'3 265lb.
Also, it wasn't like he gradually gained weight and adjusted to the weight increase. He did it in a summer and it isn't straight muscle
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:57 am to joeyb147
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Do you think cowart was an effective de early in 2015 at 280 lbs? yes or no?
Well he is a true freshman. I wasn't even expecting him to be effective.
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think anyone will say that prince tega has to be 265 lbs at 6'8?
There are enough mental midgets on this board much like yourself that make ridiculous arguments like that everyday.
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Who is getting worked up over it?
You didn't see the other thread that was linked?
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:59 am to GenesChin
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we are saying it is hard for you to be elite if you are only ~6'3 265lb.
Just like this argument, Joey
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:05 am to jangalang
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There are enough mental midgets on this board much like yourself
there it is
you have nothing but personal attacks
so absolutely.... unsurprising
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:20 am to joeyb147
Fact of the matter is I can find plenty good defensive ends that weigh around 280. Look at Charles Johnson for the Panthers; he is 6'2 276.
So I'm obviously going to respond to this quote:
"Half this board were vigorously fapping when he was listed at 280 lbs last season. Now they see why that was an issue. "
So maybe somebody wants to clarify the issue. Because the weight isn't the issue.
So I'm obviously going to respond to this quote:
"Half this board were vigorously fapping when he was listed at 280 lbs last season. Now they see why that was an issue. "
So maybe somebody wants to clarify the issue. Because the weight isn't the issue.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:21 am to joeyb147
I actually appreciate the meat of Janga's argument here.
I don't think the difference of 15 lbs was Cowart's biggest issue. He would probably benefit slightly from being lighter but he was fairly easily handled by OTs last year. He grew up being bigger and stronger than everyone else and it's going to take some time to develop pass rush skills. I think that's why we saw Arden Key be successful at LSU. He's not small, but he also didn't just pancake the OL in high school to get into the backfield.
Consider me unconcerned about Cowart's weight and development for now.
I don't think the difference of 15 lbs was Cowart's biggest issue. He would probably benefit slightly from being lighter but he was fairly easily handled by OTs last year. He grew up being bigger and stronger than everyone else and it's going to take some time to develop pass rush skills. I think that's why we saw Arden Key be successful at LSU. He's not small, but he also didn't just pancake the OL in high school to get into the backfield.
Consider me unconcerned about Cowart's weight and development for now.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:31 am to jangalang
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o maybe somebody wants to clarify the issue. Because the weight isn't the issue.
Weight was the issue, specifically quick weight gain over a short period if time. We are talking about Cowart and his situation. He did not have time to adjust to the weight gain. Same thing happens often in middle school football where a kid grows over the summer then is not adjust to his growth the next year. Looks like Robert a lot
Finding a couple of outliers does not prove a point. I could point to Mike Singletary and say all 5'11 MLB are excellent in the NFL.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:31 am to TheJones
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Consider me unconcerned about Cowart's weight and development for now.
THIS!
I believe his added weight made him lose a little speck of his explosiveness and quick get-off that made him such a special, special prospect. I think somewhere in the middle or close to 265 is his ideal weight. 6'3, 265 is plenty big enough if he can still add strength and explosiveness. I think just more reps will serve him a ton of good as well.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:32 am to TheJones
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I don't think the difference of 15 lbs was Cowart's biggest issue.
He was weighing in around 245lb early last spring. He went up some 30lbs in less than 6 months.
Even if he was 100% shredded (he isn't, or ta least not JJWatt type shred), that is a massive adjustment to 30lbs. Combine that with improved competition and more responsibility and it seemed doomed.
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I think that's why we saw Arden Key be successful at LSU
Arden key was a pass rush specialist at LSU. A lot easier to be successful when you're both fast and only responsibility is getting to the QB.
We asked Cowart to be an every down type defender. Not only did he look slow in movement, his reaction times look slow
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 10:36 am
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:36 am to GenesChin
First post about Cowart's weight
BTW this is tGOAT link. It is right when Newkirk and Manning committed and this place melted.
BTW this is tGOAT link. It is right when Newkirk and Manning committed and this place melted.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:41 am to CaptainBrannigan
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Finding a couple of outliers does not prove a point.
A 280 pound DE isn't an outlier.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:42 am to CaptainBrannigan
I mean that wasn't even close to the NSD thread when the UT recruit committed to UT. Tons of Fire Garner though as usual. 
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:52 am to GenesChin
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He was weighing in around 245lb early last spring. He went up some 30lbs in less than 6 months.
Even if he was 100% shredded (he isn't, or ta least not JJWatt type shred), that is a massive adjustment to 30lbs. Combine that with improved competition and more responsibility and it seemed doomed.
I guess my overarching point is that he's never going to be 245 again and he's going to need some time to play well at his weight.
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Arden key was a pass rush specialist at LSU. A lot easier to be successful when you're both fast and only responsibility is getting to the QB.
We asked Cowart to be an every down type defender. Not only did he look slow in movement, his reaction times look slow
This is a rabbit hole that I'm unwilling to go down just because we're speculating and breaking down mental film from no experience. I just think that his struggle was less weight related and more responsibility related.
I think he'll be fine. I'll melt next year if he sucks in '16
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:52 am to AUtigerNOLA
I didnt put Cowart in the starting lineup because im not sure where he will fit in. He didnt show much first step quickness as FR, he didnt seem to have the mental part of his position down either. And some have said he is getting to big to be outside and may move inside.
So, Steele wil have to see how Cowart fits, and if no one from the new recruits beats him just from sheer athletic ability then Cowart will be in the 2 deep at least.
So, Steele wil have to see how Cowart fits, and if no one from the new recruits beats him just from sheer athletic ability then Cowart will be in the 2 deep at least.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:55 am to jangalang
That pic you posted was from spring workouts IIRC
When Cowart was playing around 280 last season he looked like he was moving in quick sand. I remember one of those last games someone ran the read option or something similar at him and he didn't even move lol. I thnk he can be great at either 260 or 280. He just needs to choose one and get comfortable there.
When Cowart was playing around 280 last season he looked like he was moving in quick sand. I remember one of those last games someone ran the read option or something similar at him and he didn't even move lol. I thnk he can be great at either 260 or 280. He just needs to choose one and get comfortable there.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:59 am to AUtigR24
Andrew Williams was in a similar position. When he arrived he gained a lot of weight and tried to bounce between DE and DT. PM or someone said he really started coming along when he fully embraced that he was a DT from now on.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 11:08 am to AUtigerNOLA
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Tons of Fire Garner though as usua
As it should be.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 11:20 am to AUtigR24
Right. He may have put on too much weight in too short of a time period, but it's not the weight that is the problem. The lack of adaptation to his new body weight may be though. There could be a plethora of ofher factors as well. His motor wasn't that great, he was a TF, and bullrushing may be the only weapon he has in his arsenal right now.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 12:00 pm to TheJones
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he's going to need some time to play well at his weight...... I just think that his struggle was less weight related and more responsibility related.
I think the issue isn't the weight as much as the less than gradual increase in weight. Then we piled responsibility on him
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