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If I may… to Jangs point. Let’s look at the entire body of work. 28 sacks sticks out like a sore thumb and that does not include penalties.
Yes he struggled but like RA he was subjected to indecision as well for most for at least half the season. But we saw the drops, incorrect routes, holding, jumping off sides.

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Look at his stats from Miss St through New Mexico State. Then look at sacks.
Great discussion guys. Thanks for keeping it civil.

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What is crazier is Jville talks to me as if Thorne still hasnt proven he can do what Ashford did in 2022.

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He did worse than Ashford in 2022, yet yourself and others are on here trying to convince yourself that he’s way better than Ashford. The stats and results don’t back you up. I’m not saying either one needs to be the starter next year, and they won’t be if Freeze can help it. He’s in talks with at least one QB according to Cole Cublic.

Thorne was fine after the rotating nonsense was put to bed. I think, too, that when Freeze started to get more involved in the play calling, Thorne looked more comfortable. (What CHF decides to do moving forward as far as his role in play calling and game planning plays a big role in the development t of whoever is playing QB going forward, but that's a different topic.)

But to only point to stats and try to judge his play is not going to give anyone the whole picture. You can't tell me that after the NMST and Bama games people came away saying, "Damn, Payton Thorne really cost us this game." The NMST game was an entire team loss. Everyone played like shite, but PT was actually our best player that day. And we all remember what cost the Bama game: A muffed punt by a backup and possibly the dumbest defensive call of any of our lifetimes. Even the UGA game. That came down to Bowers flipping his switch and doing whatever he wanted to our secondary.

Point is, it cannot be only about statistics. You will never get a full, clear picture using only stats.

Passer rating… TD/INT ratio… completion percentage… all disagree with you fwiw

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That came down to Bowers flipping his switch and doing whatever he wanted to our secondary.

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Nah, that came down to Simpson leaving the field with an injury and THEN Bowers doing Bowers things.

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He did worse than Ashford in 2022, yet yourself and others are on here trying to convince yourself that he’s way better than Ashford.

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Let's check:

Completion percentage:
Ashford 49.2%
Thorne 62.6%- winner

Passing Yards
Thorne 1,671 - winner
Ashford 1,613

Passing TDs
Thorne- 15- winner
Ashford-7

QB Rate
Thorne- 134.8- winner
Ashford-107.0

2023 QBR
Thorne- 61.6- Winner
Ashford-53.3

Rushing Yards
Thorne- 520
Ashford-710- winner

Rushing Tds
Ashford-7- winner
Thorne-3

Congrats, you proved Ashford is a better RB

A 62% completion percentage QB is a lot more significant than a 49% if you are talking about throwing it 300-400 times which is hopefully what we do next year.


Less than 150 incompletions out of 300 passes= abandon the offense and do backyard ball.


But then again, Ashford has already played his last snap in the P5 and for good reason.

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I’d rather have a QB that is a mid 50s percent completion that throws for around 220+ per game over one that throws 62% with a bunch of screens to pad their percentage that throws for less than 150 per game. But you do you.

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Robby averaged sub 50% and 150 yards a game throwing last year as the starter and went 3-6. In his 9 starts he had 7 games where he completed 50% or less of his passes.


Where are all of these imaginary screen passes you always mention?

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We’ll see. We’ll also see if PT makes his last P5 start in the bowl game. I’m betting he has.

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I am game for ban bets.