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Posted on 5/16/23 at 8:46 am to LanierSpots
Posted on 5/16/23 at 8:46 am to LanierSpots
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Not shitting on Hugh but UGA just got the #1 player/quarterback in this cycle and we are fighting for North Texas transfers
If we’re comparing apples to apples, then your comparison is that UGA has a commitment from the #1 QB while Auburn has a commitment from the #9/#10 QB.
Your point stands. It’s also not a new point, though, as you mentioned. That gap has been deep enough to send a cruise ship through it for about 5 years now. They’ve finished 1st or 2nd mostly in the rankings during that time while we’ve dropped from 10ish to 20ish.
Part of improving the recruiting efforts is putting a good product on the field. Which means bringing in north Texas guys if they can help us win now.
I do hope Hugh gets some patience as he’s got a long road ahead of him, fortunately, the transfer portal can help speed that up with short term help while building long term depth
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:08 am to LanierSpots
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Not shitting on Hugh but UGA just got the #1 player/quarterback in this cycle and we are fighting for North Texas transfers
And uga just won two NC's with a QB that transferred there from Jones College, who was initially a walk on.
It's going to take time. Freeze will have to put a good product on the field to start to get kids at Auburn. Yes, there is a large gap, but if we can cement ourselves in the top 4 or so in the conference and start actually being competitive with uga/bama, that gap will start to close and we won't have to rely on N Texas transfers anymore.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:20 am to CharlieTiger
Hugh himself has said he has to get Top 10 classes or he will have trouble and possibly get fired.
This year will be his most difficult year to land a top 10 class just because high school recruiting is a relationship game. He will land some good players. He will probably big up a couple real difference makers.
But the following 2 classes will set the tone for the Hugh Freeze era at AU.
Don’t want to make this a long story post but Auburn fans have to decide if they want to be a part of the rise or not. NIL and to get the top guys you have to pay. I pay my little bit but if enrollment into the collective doesn’t increase I will pull mine because the mega boosters are the only ones donating.
This year will be his most difficult year to land a top 10 class just because high school recruiting is a relationship game. He will land some good players. He will probably big up a couple real difference makers.
But the following 2 classes will set the tone for the Hugh Freeze era at AU.
Don’t want to make this a long story post but Auburn fans have to decide if they want to be a part of the rise or not. NIL and to get the top guys you have to pay. I pay my little bit but if enrollment into the collective doesn’t increase I will pull mine because the mega boosters are the only ones donating.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:20 am to CharlieTiger
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And uga just won two NC's with a QB that transferred there from Jones College, who was initially a walk on.
Agree and a Quarterback with 10, 5* players around him and a defense filled with them. And two deep on the bench that all could start for us. Bama won a shite ton of natty with quarterbacks that were not highly rated. My point is more than just the QB position. It is the talent gap at al positions
Make no mistake, it is getting bigger, not smaller. No matter how many players we pick up in the portal that can play one or two years.
I dont even know if Auburn, and others, can do anything about it right now. I think it is just a train rolling uphill.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:27 am to LanierSpots
I think you’re analysis is off on this one. Others have pointed it out. Hugh isn’t going to get the #1’s until we start winning and putting more players into the NFL. That’s when the NIL will have more bargaining power as well. Hugh and staff did a good job in what was left in the 2023 recruiting and portal. They are relentless the 2024 cycle.
He was given a huge deficit in key positions to begin with. I believe if we stay on the trajectory Hugh and staff are on now, Auburn will continue to narrow the gap and compete with our traditional rivals soon enough. We got a top ten QB this cycle in White. Pretty damn good considering how our OL has played the last 5 years and especially the last 3.
He was given a huge deficit in key positions to begin with. I believe if we stay on the trajectory Hugh and staff are on now, Auburn will continue to narrow the gap and compete with our traditional rivals soon enough. We got a top ten QB this cycle in White. Pretty damn good considering how our OL has played the last 5 years and especially the last 3.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:30 am to TheJones
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Part of improving the recruiting efforts is putting a good product on the field. Which means bringing in north Texas guys if they can help us win now.
Dont get me wrong, I know where we are and I do totally understand that point. For the most part, recruiting is always, get the best guys you can. and that is what we are doing. Once we get some quality guys out there, we can do some fantastic things on the filed like we did before. Hell, It will probably takes weeks just to figure out who we have out there this season. So many new parts.
I do think UGA is buying their way through and using the recent success to keep the ball rolling. That is something we were unable to do with our two Natty appearances in the past 15 years.
I honestly never would have thought that UGA would be our paying Auburn once it got legal. LOL.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:34 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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I think you’re analysis is off on this one.
I dont think so. My only analysis is that there is a huge gap and it is growing. Even if it's slightly growing. It's not Hughs fault by any means. And he and the staff have done a great job picking up the pieces.
Im hoping he can get it going. Im not downing him. More of an overall comparison. It's not a new thing, but by comparing that UGA won 2 Natty's with transfer QB's is slightly different than our situation. The surrounding parts are way better there right now. Comparable to what Sagan did. Build thet team and just get a QB who can steer it in the right direction.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:35 am to CorchJay
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the mega boosters are the only ones donating.
That's where it has to come from. The NIL collectives equate to the kind of change boosters find in their couches. The big money folks will have to get on board and stay on board if they want to compete in that game.
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My point is more than just the QB position. It is the talent gap at al positions
Make no mistake, it is getting bigger, not smaller. No matter how many players we pick up in the portal that can play one or two years.
I dont even know if Auburn, and others, can do anything about it right now. I think it is just a train rolling uphill.
I hear you, but it's all about the product Freeze puts out there. He's basically been on the job about 6 months and has re-shaped the roster pretty significantly. I have to assume that's going to pay off this year and we win a few more games than we would have otherwise. We had a 6 win ceiling, imo. Now it's probably closer to 8 or 9.
If we start winning games and at least are competitive in losses, the kids will come. Yes, NIL is going to play a big factor now, but we have to win first and foremost. If we do that, it makes those NIL deals much easier to work on. And if we can trot out a dynamic offense that can start putting kids in the NFL, that will do wonders for our recruiting.
I just don't see the gap as insurmountable as some I guess.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:51 am to LanierSpots
quote:Eh - I'd say it peaked while potato gang was here. UGA and Bama have been top 1-3 consistently during that period while we straight up barely recruited.
We were always so quick to shite on our past coaches for UGA creating a gap between themselves and Auburn but now, that gap is opening up exponentially. Not shitting on Hugh but UGA just got the #1 player/quarterback in this cycle and we are fighting for North Texas transfers. That gap is growing.
We're now recruiting again but have miles to go to become top 3.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:52 am to LanierSpots
Your points are all fair IMO. UGA is certainly capitalizing on all of the momentum and it looks the part of a fully automated machine right now.
It started with them picking the right guy for the job. Now they’ve got the right guys all over that program. Hopefully that’s where our run begins too
It started with them picking the right guy for the job. Now they’ve got the right guys all over that program. Hopefully that’s where our run begins too
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:53 am to LanierSpots
We just disagree on this and that’s fine. I think we are trending in closing the gap. Time will tell.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:59 am to TheJones
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Your points are all fair IMO
I only disagree on one point is all.
To say the gap has widened when Uga has already been getting these classes and Hugh has already improved our team then widening the gap doesn’t make sense.
If he continued doing what was happening Lanier would be correct on that point as well, and so we disagree on that one. We just need to win and the rest will take care of itself.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 10:01 am to CharlieTiger
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That's where it has to come from. The NIL collectives equate to the kind of change boosters find in their couches. The big money folks will have to get on board and stay on board if they want to compete in that game.
That is the problem. People that can afford it and are huge fans should be willing to throw a few bucks around. If we could just get 20k of the hardcore live for auburn football would make a big difference could potentially be a difference in maybe landing a couple 5 stars a year.
Everyone wants Ryan Williams Jr to flip from Bama. Well Bama knows he’s the best WR since Julio in state. The reported NIL offer is 3.5 million. We either pony up or he goes to Bama.
I hate NIL. But if that is the game then we better play it the best
Posted on 5/16/23 at 10:01 am to CharlieTiger
I believe the "recruits need to see the product on the field" is a false narrative. All my evidence is anecdotal, but I've seen many coaches come in and recruit well in the recruiting cycle immediately after an uninspiring 1st season. The "product on the field" argument seems to kick in after 3 or 4 years, but early on their are many advantages a new coach has if he (and the boosters) aggressively recruit. I love Freeze, but I won't make any excuses for the 2024 class. It needs to be top 5. We need to pull some recruits that shock everyone.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 10:03 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Have to admit UGA seems to be getting more difference makers. Maybe not moving up the rankings because it’s hard to move up from being 1 or 2. But Bama and UGA are definitely pushing the highest recruiting classes ever each year. So yes they are kind of expanding the lead.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 10:06 am to AUgryphon
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It needs to be top 5. We need to pull some recruits that shock
I don’t see that happening this year. We aren’t in on enough top guys. Even if we land some of our top guys we still won’t be close to top 5. From 5 to 6-12 is normally a pretty big gap
Posted on 5/16/23 at 10:08 am to CorchJay
But they are hovering around the same point totals so that may seem they are widening the gap but it’s hovering around the same each year.
They have been getting difference makers for a while.
I want to be clear, we haven’t made some monumental leap in closing the gap but we have stopped the bleeding. Now we need to get the surgery done and rehab. It’s a small step in the right direction finally.
They have been getting difference makers for a while.
I want to be clear, we haven’t made some monumental leap in closing the gap but we have stopped the bleeding. Now we need to get the surgery done and rehab. It’s a small step in the right direction finally.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 10:19 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 10:18 am to CorchJay
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From 5 to 6-12 is normally a pretty big gap
100%
This was my point at the end of the Gus era. That’s a huge gap typically, sometimes more than the difference between 12 and 20
Posted on 5/16/23 at 10:26 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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But they are hovering around the same point totals so that may seem they are widening the gap but it’s hovering around the same each year.
They have been getting difference makers for a while.
I want to be clear, we haven’t made some monumental leap in closing the gap but we have stopped the bleeding. Now we need to get the surgery done and rehab. It’s a small step in the right direction finally.
They are getting the best players every year at every position. Im not sure we have one player on our team that is in the top 5 at their position in the SEC
Those big recruits are CRITICAL in the SEC play where so many teams have a solid roster. The big recruits help make the difference. I honestly cant not even think of the best recruit we have gotten since teamharsin took over. Anyone know?
As far as the gap, I'm looking at it across the board. Yes we are recovering from our few years of totally lack of recruiting but as far as the gap goes, it is getting bigger. and growing across the starting lineup and the depth. Where we are trying to get recruits from teams that they didnt work out on or were bigger than the teams they played for, UGA is getting the best players from high school that a good many of them will stay there 3 years or so. Of course they also will have some attrition but I doubt the real difference makers will leave there unless its a QB who will get zero playing time.
If you and I are in a race and you have a big gap on me, the only way I can close that gap is for me to run faster than you. We have not ran faster than UGA at any point and at any position.
They really peaked at the right time when this NIL BS started. They are using the system to perfection. We should be taking notes
Posted on 5/16/23 at 10:35 am to LanierSpots
I don’t argue the talent they are getting, but it’s not all of the sudden. They have been getting it for about 5 -6 years now.
My only point is no matter however so slight that gap is not going to continue to widen if this staff stays on this trajectory and adds wins against these giants, we will continue to close the gap and compete. Again I’m not saying we closed the gap in any significant way yet, but I feel we are finally righting the ship to close that gap and have started to do that now even if it’s a minimal movement. That’s all I’m saying. There’s not much more for Bama and Uga to go up but we can start to make significant movement upwards in the next few years.
I’m not going to continue the argument. We will just need to watch it unfold now. More money for NIL will grow with wins.
By the way, we weren't even training to run the race and barely had runners entering the race and I don’t feel that is the case now.
My only point is no matter however so slight that gap is not going to continue to widen if this staff stays on this trajectory and adds wins against these giants, we will continue to close the gap and compete. Again I’m not saying we closed the gap in any significant way yet, but I feel we are finally righting the ship to close that gap and have started to do that now even if it’s a minimal movement. That’s all I’m saying. There’s not much more for Bama and Uga to go up but we can start to make significant movement upwards in the next few years.
I’m not going to continue the argument. We will just need to watch it unfold now. More money for NIL will grow with wins.
By the way, we weren't even training to run the race and barely had runners entering the race and I don’t feel that is the case now.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 10:44 am
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